Friday/weekend open line
When my students bicker, it’s not exactly an intellectual debate:
“Yes you did!” one will shout.
“No I didn’t!” screams the other.
Frequently, there’s nothing to do but send them to the office for a cool-down. That’s probably as it should be. They are nine and ten years old.
When the adults do it, I fear for my (probably all-but-forfeit) future social security check. In this first decade of the 21st century, adults don’t challenge each other’s ideas anymore. They just shout, as evidenced by the health care rallies in Raleigh on Wednesday.
“Yes we can!” shouts one side.
“No you can’t!” shouts the other.
Let’s exchange ideas, not invective.
Here’s your open line.
I have a idea lets take the government out of healthcare, and if you do not produce a valid SS card at emergency room door then you do not get service until everyone who has one has been helped. I will post some math to help you all understand why we do not need Obama running healthcare.
Comment by kevin osborne — March 12, 2010 @ 12:08 am
A 15 mpg clunker that travels 12,000 miles a year uses 800 gallons of gas a year.
A 25 mpg vehicle that travels 12,000 miles a year uses 480 gallons a year.
So, the average Cash for Clunkers transaction will reduce US gasoline consumption by 320 gallons per year.
They claim 700,000 clunkers were turned-in, so that’s 224 million gallons saved per year.
That equates to a bit over 5 million barrels of oil.
5 million barrels is about 5 hours worth of US consumption. More importantly, 5 million barrels of oil at $70 per barrel costs about $350 million dollars.
So, the government paid $3 billion of our tax dollars to save $350 million.
We spent $8.57 for every dollar we saved. I’m pretty sure they will do a much better job with our health care, though. Aren’t you?
Comment by kevin osborne — March 12, 2010 @ 12:09 am
“City attorney had role in organizing new paint firm
Zollicoffer: Wrote articles to create company, didn’t know city backing it for N.C. funds ”
Interesting article in Dispatch this morning.
Comment by Interesting — March 12, 2010 @ 5:37 am
Kevin if you truly mean your statement that government needs to stay out of health care then my guess is there will will be a few pissed off people that are currently enrolled in Medicare and Medicaid. Go Republican.
Comment by Not a Teabagger! — March 12, 2010 @ 7:38 am
Read this and weep. http://triangle.bizjournals.com/triangle/stories/2007/02/12/story7.html
Looks like shady deals all around.
Comment by Curiouser and Curiouser — March 12, 2010 @ 7:43 am
Interesting, where is the link on Zollicofer and the paint company?
Comment by Beautiful Dreamer — March 12, 2010 @ 7:43 am
It is reported in today’s Daily Dispatch.
You can also go to the NC Secretary of State website and type in Paint Reclamation International LLC under corporations, and it will be there.
Comment by Interesting — March 12, 2010 @ 7:50 am
Curiouser, that is the same company that is going to relocate to Henderson under another name – right?
Oh dear is right. I’m weeping.
No wonder she wanted to move the company to Henderson.
Comment by Interesting — March 12, 2010 @ 7:53 am
Same owners – read:
“When contacted by telephone, Envirosafe Paints owner P.D. Williams referred questions about the lawsuit to her attorney, Laurie Biggs, who works in the Raleigh office of Stubbs & Perdue. Asked about the case, Biggs issued a statement by e-mail stating that Envirosafe is in discussions with Pergo’s attorneys, and the company anticipates the matter can be resolved without the need for further litigation.”
Seems like Henderson has made yet ANOTHER HUGE mistake.
Comment by Interesting — March 12, 2010 @ 7:55 am
Stubbs & Perdue – could that be any kin to our famous Governor Beverly Perdue????
The plot thickens!
Comment by Interesting — March 12, 2010 @ 7:55 am
Interesting, I read the Dispatch article. It appears that nothing that the dark forces of Henderson does ~ can bear the scrutiny of investigation. Very sad.
Comment by Beautiful Dreamer — March 12, 2010 @ 8:15 am
BD – #8 post came from the link that #4 post put on here from the Triangle Business Journal.
She is being investigated for another company.
No wonder she wanted to hide out in Henderson.
Comment by Interesting — March 12, 2010 @ 8:17 am
That article was from ’07. Wonder if the case has been settled by now? And clearly, there are no guidelines for what makes a company “green.” Maybe they meant “green” as in money, not the environment.
That article really left a bad taste in my mouth.
Comment by heelshouse — March 12, 2010 @ 8:24 am
Mine as well, heelshouse. The whole thing seems fishy to me.
Comment by Interesting — March 12, 2010 @ 8:27 am
Sounds like a way to suck money out of the taxpayers. It makes you wonder who on the local scene is involved. I thought when I read the first article in the newspaper that this was a lot of money for 5 to 10 jobs.
Comment by City Resident — March 12, 2010 @ 8:33 am
I would just like to say “Hello” to everyone who visit this site often. With that being said, I am really wondering what can be done to bring business into Vance County? I feel very sad when I travel about in Henderson, & see all the properties available for sale. I would really like to see Henderson prosper, right now I see a dying town. Why can’t we get Target, Harris Teeter, or Kroger. in our town? I have called Harris Teeter and suggested it would be nice to have them in our community. Can one person make a difference?, I think so…So if, anyone feels the same as I do, Please call these company’s & let them know, we would embrace them in our wonderful town…
Comment by Helen — March 12, 2010 @ 9:48 am
Helen – it’s the lack of zoning. The biggest stumbling block to large corporations coming here is the lack of zoning. That’s why all the development stops in Franklin County. And when did Interesting start reading the local paper?
Comment by Cricket — March 12, 2010 @ 9:53 am
Now we know–White Collar Crime in Henderson ranks right up there with so called “Blue Collar Crime”–.
We need to get some answers and attempt to VOID this deal NOW!
Comment by north star — March 12, 2010 @ 10:20 am
I really don’t think the area could support a Harris Teeter at this point. They are more upscale than Food Lion. If Lowe’s couldn’t make it, Harris Teeter certainly could not make it. It is too bad, but that’s the way of the times I am afraid.
Our town WAS wonderful, Helen…certainly, it is not that any more, and it is so, so sad.
North Star, I agree with you. Seems like somebody did not do their homework in this situation, and once again, Henderson will be left holding the bag.
Comment by Interesting — March 12, 2010 @ 10:23 am
Does anyone have any feedback or comments about the VCGG early college program? I am on the fence, I keep getting conflicting information. The handouts say for “first time college” students, but the college says that does not matter. The application ask for family income. but the college says that does not matter. Someone at the college said that the applications were gone thru and some were omitted before they were sent to lottery. Someone else at the college said that was not true. So I am looking for anyone true view on the program good or bad. Thanks.
Comment by Totally Confused — March 12, 2010 @ 11:57 am
#18
If you’re not talking to someone in the admissions department then don’t expect them to know. Call the admissions and testing office and ask for an explanation of the requirements for this program. If you’re not satisfied with the response then ask to speak with the Dean of Admissions.
Comment by ask — March 12, 2010 @ 2:40 pm
Confused, go to the College site, http://www.vgcc.edu/ and click on the High School Students link: Information can be found regarding the program.
Jason, please note the changed site address, the old one no longer works. Thanks.
Comment by Warden — March 12, 2010 @ 3:38 pm
The early college high school is one of four high schools run by VCS. A student candidate has to be an 8th grader.Call VCS for an application for next year. The ideal candidate is one who may be the first member of the family to go to college. Also one whos family most likely could not afford for their child to go to college.
You’re child will go to VGCC and will be in class with other students his/her age take HS courses and as the yrs. progresses will start taking college classes. By the end of the fith yr., your child will come out with an associate degree and will be able to transfer to a four yr. college to get his/her degree.
It basically an accelerated program, (finish in 5 yrs instead of 6). Itis a demanding program but hasoutstanding teachers.
Mr. Mike Bullard is the principal there. He is welcoming and will answer any questions you may have and welcomes parents to tour the school, (2nd floor by the student union). Good luck. Y
Comment by ghost writer — March 12, 2010 @ 4:52 pm
Warden:
I have edited the link. Carry on.
Comment by Jason Feingold, Ed. — March 12, 2010 @ 4:56 pm
Thank you very much. Have a pleasant weekend.
Comment by Warden — March 12, 2010 @ 5:09 pm
Cricket,
Although citizens have been asking for several years, no one in a position of authority has been able to name a single corporation that has refused to locate here because we are not zoned. We’re tired of that part of your tune…move your needle.
Comment by Jimminy — March 12, 2010 @ 7:42 pm
Kevin is at his cut and paste thing again…..do you have any of your on thoughts Kevin? Rush is running you crazy. Since you want to add, add up the 1 billion dollar a day war (Bushs personal oil war/ Iraq) for 7 years. There goes your current childrens debt!
Comment by THE REAL DEAL — March 12, 2010 @ 7:55 pm
FYI Warden, the information you have there is not the Early college HS. That program mentioned on the web is for students who are still in the regular HS, juniors and seniors,They can take a class online or leave for the day from their traditional classes and attend a class at VGCC. They get double credit for HS and also toward college credit.
Comment by ghost writer — March 12, 2010 @ 9:18 pm
Cricket (post #17) the lack of zoning is pro-business. America’s 4th largest city is without zoning. That city has grown, prospered and evolved because it lacks zoning.
Helen (post #16) Harris Teeter may consider locating here if the income base could support the store. The income base required to support a Harris Teeter is not achievable when the primary employment is government subsidies.
Comment by Michael Bobbitt — March 12, 2010 @ 9:50 pm
THE REAL DEAL…rerun rerun rerun…SOS SOS SOS
is that all you’ve got?
pathetic.
Comment by ziggy — March 12, 2010 @ 10:01 pm
Not a tea bagger– You are right I think Medicare and Medicaid both need to be looked at since they are both way over budget. At some point we have to figure out how or why we as a society are being forced to pay for peoples healthcare that choose not to work.
I know Obama wants us to paint BCBS and all the others as the big mean bad guys but at some point we need to address familys that have been on government assistance for 4 generations.
Real Deal– I thought Obama said he was going to shut down gitmo? Pull us out of the wrong war? And spend and Tax our way out of a recession? Hell you Bush derangement folks are far more sick then anyone I have every known. I pray for your health to be well and your spirits high.
Comment by kevin osborne — March 12, 2010 @ 11:31 pm
where do we stand with the “search’ for the so called lost
money bag??
Comment by Rurh Jones — March 12, 2010 @ 11:57 pm
Mark T. …remember that Obama is a president and not a king like you obviously wish he was..
seems like I recall you (Ira) always posting about the majority rules..and the majority of the people do not want this health care bill.
what say you to that?
oh, and IRA…have you read up on the constitution yet?
or are you not interested?
you really truly are uninformed and being had, if you believe there will be any “energy savings”..
evidently you didn’t see his interview where he SAID that his energy policies would cause energy costs to rise drastically.
you really need to do some research..and stop believing whatever you’re being told.
Comment by ziggy — March 13, 2010 @ 12:52 am
Ms. Jones…I haven’t heard anything about the missing tax bag.
probably still under investigation…
I wonder if we’ll ever know the truth.
Comment by ziggy — March 13, 2010 @ 12:55 am
Hey there Ira….hmmmmm, I mean Mark T.!!!
Comment by Interesting — March 13, 2010 @ 6:59 am
Ruth, it will probably just be swept under the carpet.
If I were one of the ones with a check missing, I would be at the Sheriff’s office, the tax office, the FBI every chance. Don’t people realize that identity fraud can happen with a bank account number.
Hopefully, somebody in that batch of checks is following through with this.
Just giving the tax office another check should in no way be the end of it.
Comment by Interesting — March 13, 2010 @ 7:01 am
Bank deposit still missing
“The bank deposit bag missing from the tax office since Dec. 17 still is, Vance County Manager Jerry Ayscue said Friday.
Sheriff Peter White told him that polygraph tests were continuing to be administered in the investigation, and that there was nothing new to report, the county manager explained.
The bag — containing $7,800 in cash and checks totaling more than $52,000 — apparently never made it from the tax office to the bank, according to Ayscue.
At the Board of Commissioners meeting on Feb. 8, he assured affected check-payers that the county will absorb any related stop-payment fees required by banks.
Ayscue said any involved check-payer who makes such a request “needs to give us something from the bank that shows they paid it, or that they have been charged.”
He added that 53 of the 58 checks in the bag had been replaced and deposited in the bank used by the county.
On Feb. 9, Ayscue said no more money will be sought from property owners whose cash tax payments were in the bag.
He said the county’s insurance might cover the loss of the cash, depending on the outcome of the probe by the sheriff’s office and the State Bureau of Investigation.
There is a possibility that different insurance coverage could be involved in case of theft or loss, Ayscue said.”
This is in the Dispatch this morning. Funny thing the only thing they seemed concerned with is that they will have to pay bank fees. Something is strange.
Comment by Interesting — March 13, 2010 @ 7:06 am
Ruth, read #37 & #38-didn’t show on side bar
Comment by Interesting — March 13, 2010 @ 7:16 am
There is nothing new to know about the missing bag. The investigation continues.
Comment by Warden — March 13, 2010 @ 7:44 am
I wonder just how much investigating is being done and by whom!
Comment by Interesting — March 13, 2010 @ 7:46 am
The dispatch reported that the Sheriff said there was nothing new about the missing bank bag. The polygraph test were continuing. This is hard to believe after 3 months. How many people work in the tax office. Can’t you do all polygraph tests by now. Just another sign that the S.O. needs an overhaul. This can be done in the upcoming election.
Comment by Face the facts — March 13, 2010 @ 8:34 am
Hopefully, Face the facts, the overhaul will take place. It is fair fame for criminals in Vance County at the moment with the S.O. like it is.
Comment by Interesting — March 13, 2010 @ 8:46 am
The Tax Office bears the blame for those missing bag(s). Remember there was another incident last year never saw the light of the newspaper!
Comment by north star — March 13, 2010 @ 11:28 am
Thank you very much for information about possibly getting more business’s here in Henderson. I am getting worried about the possibility of residing in a town where there is limited shopping. I have been over to Oxford, the new Walmart is far nicer than the Walmart in Henderson, & the prices were lower. I can’t figure that one out! If this is a zoning factor, can’t the zoning laws be changed? After-all we have an adult book store, why can’t we have Harris Teeter, Kroger, or Target? If Henderson doesn’t do something soon, we will be in serious trouble…Ashley furniture & Sonic’s came in, & they left after one year..What we need is competition with Walmart. Target can give them a run for the money, so can, Kroger & Harris Teeter. This is just a thought on my behalf. I am tired of having no choice as to where I can spend my money, truly, I would like to keep it here in Henderson, but, I do go elsewhere to do my shopping. Thank you very much for letting me vent my feelings…
Comment by Helen — March 13, 2010 @ 12:15 pm
#27 – Kevin cuts and pastes frequently. If only he’d stop using this place as his forward emails section. Snopes gains a lot of traffic from his forwards. http://www.snopes.com/politics/gasoline/clunkers.asp
Comment by Phil Hart — March 13, 2010 @ 12:44 pm
Congrats Phil Hart, I am so impressed that it will only take 4 years to recoop the waste of my tax payer dollars. But the truth is we wasted the money and we are not even get it back or are you a Dem and not bright enough to figure that out— Keep drinking the kool aid brother!
Comment by kevin osborne — March 13, 2010 @ 1:50 pm
Americans need to get over the ‘cheap goods’ mind set. There are many people in Henderson who would like to have a business but can’t get reasonable leases, loans, or city encouragement. I hate paying foreign workers wages so the corporation can get richer, so there are cheap products available for unemployed Americans. If we made our own products and sold them to each other, wouldn’t we be better off? I frankly miss my home town Merchantile way back when. This global economy has done nothing but take our jobs away. I’ve seen it coming for years and now it’s here. We need to be willing to pay a living wage to each other. I like to pay for goods that aren’t ‘cheap’ and disposable. Rampant consumerism is destructive.
Comment by Warden — March 13, 2010 @ 2:52 pm
#44-Helen, unfortunately, I think we will have to continue to go out of town to shop at places like Target and Harris Teeter. You are putting your life in danger to go to the Henderson Wal-Mart. Take the trip to Oxford and be safe.
Comment by Interesting — March 13, 2010 @ 4:01 pm
Ghost Writer,
what do you think about the article in the dispatch about the high school dropout rate, and what are you guys doing at NV to lower that number?
Comment by vanceedu — March 13, 2010 @ 4:47 pm
I wish you would stop and think on occasion before you post that we need a Target and a Harris Teeter. Sure we need them but we’re not going toget one. THINK about the towns they are in for a minute. There is a higher population in just North Raleigh and Wake Forest than in Vance County. This area is too rural and too poor for these businesses to even give us a second look when they know those who can afford to shop there will drive 25 miles anyway.
Comment by Quit Dreaming — March 13, 2010 @ 5:15 pm
According to the NC Secretary of State website, P.D. Williams’ company, Envirosafe Paints, Inc. (a Delaware corporation), was sent on March 9, 2010, a Notice of Grounds for Revocation of Authority. According to the Notice, her company failed to file NC Annual Reports for 4 years. If she does not comply, her company can no longer do business in NC.
I wonder if the EDC, City Council, County Commission, or Chamber of Commerce know this. If they don’t, they should. If they do, they are hiding it and trying to pull a fast one over on Henderson and Vance County taxpayers.
The plot thickens…
What say you, leaders? This fish has been out of the fridge for three days. It’s past time to fry it. Perhaps you should trash it. The smell is getting worse.
Comment by Follow-Up — March 13, 2010 @ 8:06 pm
I say, once again, Henderson is going to be left holding the bag.
Leaders – where are you? Leaders – why didn’t you check this out? City attorney – what say you?
Comment by Interesting — March 13, 2010 @ 8:15 pm
Seems that she thinks she can hide out in Henderson – a sleepy little town with a stupid City Council.
Well, seems she ALMOST got by with it.
Comment by Interesting — March 13, 2010 @ 8:16 pm
Didn’t Rep. Crawford say in one of the articles that he would be the first customer?
Rep. Crawford – are you changing your mind?
Comment by Interesting — March 13, 2010 @ 8:18 pm
From the sound of what is on NC Dept. of State website Henderson would have grounds to void any contract. What say lawyers in this town about that? What does EDC think–thinking not being something they do very often. We must be listed on the sucker born every minute scam artist newsletter.
Comment by north star — March 13, 2010 @ 10:07 pm
Kevin, we will never see the money back from the billion dollar a day war… will we? Talking about a waste of money, oh you probably don’t want that money back right?
Comment by THE REAL DEAL — March 14, 2010 @ 7:32 am
Anybody know what happened on Oxford Rd. ???
Comment by The Song remains the Same — March 14, 2010 @ 7:42 am
Kevin I can agree with you and your party on some issues, and I agree with some of the Dem. issues, but what pisses people off is when the Rep. continue to try to divide people, and country. Neither party has the perfect answer or policies, if so we wouldn’t be in the mess we are in. The man reason the Dem. won the election is because of the ways of the Rep. party, plan and simple.
Comment by THE REAL DEAL — March 14, 2010 @ 8:10 am
When? What?
Comment by Interesting — March 14, 2010 @ 8:12 am
I think there was a wreck late last night.
Comment by The Song remains the Same — March 14, 2010 @ 8:15 am
It must have been during the night. I don’t know anything about it.
Maybe somebody does.
Comment by Interesting — March 14, 2010 @ 8:19 am
Much of the Oxford Road area west of the convience store was without power most of the morning, last night.
The cause has yet to be determined.
Comment by Lewis H. Edwards — March 14, 2010 @ 9:14 am
Thanks interesting,
I will listen to your advice. You are sooooooooo right!
Comment by Helen — March 14, 2010 @ 11:31 am
# 44, Helen..stay out of Walmart! I was addicted to it for years and now, am Walmart free! I have moved all of my grocery purchases to the Norlina Rd. Food Lion, and shop the Dollar Tree, Dollar General and Roses, Norlina Rd. for the rest of my needs. I feel so good not seeing the likes of Walmart and the unfriendly, unconcerned employees of it. The Norlina Rd. Food Lion has very friendly management, TJ Spain, Melissa West, etc. and all their cashiers are friendly and courteous. I recommend you trying this store on any day for a satisfied service. Savings go hand in hand here also, especially with their lower prices and the use of coupons! Stay out of Walmart for any reason! Oh, also, Helen, I moved all prescriptions to Rite Aid Pharmacy, convenient, courteous drive through window, no waiting, Health Savings prescription card if needed, coupons accepted..view online, etc. etc. Never had any problems with the service here…the store manager is very, very friendly and visible! Prescriptions can be picked up any day and mostly any time of the day. Go for it! Leave Walmart alone!
Comment by Betty Mitchell Freitag — March 14, 2010 @ 11:56 am
Henderson boy fatally shot in Raleigh.
Raleigh police filed charges Sunday in connection with a shooting outside a nightclub that left one man dead.
Officers responded to the Kangaroo store in the 3100 block of Capital Boulevard shortly after 3 a.m. Sunday. They found Sedrick Williams, 23, of Henderson, inside a vehicle parked at the store. He had been shot and was pronounced dead at the scene, police spokesman Jim Sughrue said.
Officers later determined that the shooting occurred earlier in the morning at Pericos nightclub, 2414 Paula St.
Williams and Tobarus Oneal Alston, 33, of Henderson, had been asked by nightclub security guard Shontavius Levon Brown, 35, to leave the premises, Sughrue said.
Williams and Alston left the nightclub and got into a vehicle, which parked on the street in front of the business. Alston, who was in the driver’s seat, exited the vehicle and exchanged gunfire with Brown, Sughrue said.
Alston was charged Sunday with assault with a deadly weapon with intent to kill for his role in the gunfire exchange. He was also charged with possession of a firearm by a convicted felon.
Alston was being held Sunday in the Wake County jail.
Brown’s actions related to the shooting continue to be investigated, and the findings of detectives will be reviewed by the district attorney’s office, Sughrue said.
It was not yet clear how Williams was shot, or what role he had in the gunfire exchange.
Patrons, employees and security guards did not call 911 about the gunfire at the Pericos nightclub, Sughrue added.
Anyone with information about the shooting who has not yet been interviewed by law enforcement is asked to call the Raleigh Police Department’s Detective Division at 919-996-3555.
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Comment by Follow the White Lines on the Road — March 14, 2010 @ 7:24 pm
i have talked to MS. Brown about this so called “new co”.
coming to the area. She seem to know very little about the background of this venture. i asked how and why the
city attorney became involved, esp when county tax dollars are involved . did’nt get much info. suggest more taxpayers
ask more questions.
The feds,state, or city and co. HAVE no money.This is
all taxpayers money.
What is the legal role of the city attorney ? If he
over stepped his bounds, the whole thing should be null
and void.
CALL YOUR LOCAL REPS. THIS IS WHAT WE ELECTED
THEM FOR. WE DON,T NEED A LOT OF “ME TOO” NERDS
Comment by Rurh Jones — March 14, 2010 @ 10:48 pm
Warden…#47…heard about this company on TV..
this would be of interest to women..
in Raleigh, there is a shop that makes and sells pocketbooks, and you can watch the process…
http://www.hollyaiken.com/stitch.html
we need a lot more of this, everywhere.
Comment by ziggy — March 14, 2010 @ 11:11 pm
how did MR. Haith get cleared of all charges.did he not get caught with drugs in his possession ??
Please inform the public how to beat a crime such as this or was it a crime?
Comment by Rurh Jones — March 14, 2010 @ 11:17 pm
Possession of a firearm by a convicted felon–same old story–.
Comment by north star — March 14, 2010 @ 11:18 pm
Rurh Jones: Mr. Haith is innocent. They could not produce the so called evidence. Seems the drugs probably went missing or didn’t exist. He did not sell or possess said drugs. He IS INNOCENT!
Comment by READ THE POST — March 15, 2010 @ 11:10 am
To Helen,
you can forget about any of the stores you mehtioned.
the people here will steal all the profit . target is just
down the road in Wake Forest There is nice and veggies.
as for as walmart,if you can’t beat em join em buy stock
in company.
Comment by Rurh Jones — March 15, 2010 @ 8:21 pm