WRAL to run Vance murder mystery
Editor’s Note: This post was moved from it’s original post date of February 14, 2008 by readers’ requests.
Alice Burgess
During the last two weeks of this month, television station WRAL will run an NC Wanted program featuring an unsolved Vance County murder.
The program will air on WRAL Fox 50 on February 16, 2008 at 10:30 p.m. and February 23, 2008 at 10:30 p.m. on WRAL.
In November of 1977, Alice Burgess was brutally murdered with a tire iron and stuffed into the trunk of her car.
Although many suspects have been investigated, with one man being brought to trial and acquitted for the crime, the murder still remains unsolved.
Michael Burgess, the son of Alice Burgess who was nine years old when the murder occurred, contacted Home in Henderson and asked us to publicize the airing of the NC Wanted television program. Of course, we agreed in principle to do as he asked, but we warned Burgess that the discussion of the topic could be unsettling or downright mean-spirited.
“I would like for a discuss to ensue,” Burgess wrote back.
Burgess also urged us to mention that a $50,000 reward is still in place for information leading to the arrest and conviction of his mother’s killer[s].
To learn more about this story, please visit the following links:
Alice Burgess: A Family Walks With Ghosts
We join Mr. Burgess in the hope that resolution will come.
The reward is now $15,000.
Comment by Melissa Baker — February 14, 2008 @ 7:34 am
I have waited thirty years for this!I have encouraged Alice’s children over the years to have the case investigated and to not give up.For thirty years her children have been asking,Who killed our Mother?It does not matter the age,gender,occupation or community status of the person responsible for this MURDER, and MURDER is what it is called,He has to be tried and brought to justice!
Comment by Joyce Pendergrass Atchison — February 14, 2008 @ 7:56 am
of course, one would assume that the newly increased reward $ is for the “arrest & conviction” of this scum-bag! hopefully $15,000.00 will get some interest and some talk stirring that will direct officials to the right person.
Comment by james — February 14, 2008 @ 8:08 am
I hope it is solved !
Comment by Cowboy — February 14, 2008 @ 8:26 am
With all of the CSI type stuff police have now, it’s only a matter of time before they catch this person. He or she are probably trying to pack their bags right now.
Comment by The REAL DEAL — February 14, 2008 @ 8:30 am
I did not know the woman personally. I do remember the day after. * Shocking!* The whole community was in shock. I am so sorry for the children in this case. I’m sure your mother loved you and would want only good things for you. I don’t know if this crime will ever be solved, but I hope you can rest in the thought that Your Mother Did Love YOU both.
To Law Enforcement: Happy Hunting. I hope you can get some good leads.
Comment by Shadow Dancer — February 14, 2008 @ 8:38 am
Anyone know who the “well known” man in the community is? Why did he not cooperate? This is very interesting indeed. I hope the person who killed this woman is found and brought to justice, but it has been such a long time. I think the program will help to bring this case back to the forefront or people’s minds. If the person is charged and tried, we need to get a special prosecutor to come in and take over because no one currently in the DA’s office is capable of conducting a successful murder trial.
Comment by Questions — February 14, 2008 @ 8:41 am
When will it run on TV? It will be very interesting to see who do it.
Comment by Just askin — February 14, 2008 @ 8:48 am
Post # 7 The well known man cuts hair on Norlina road.
Comment by The REAL DEAL — February 14, 2008 @ 8:58 am
Anyone that was in Vance County when this happened, knows who this “well known” man is and he is still around today.
Comment by facts — February 14, 2008 @ 9:03 am
Post # 7 You are right, especially when all of the crooks here are buddies.
Comment by The REAL DEAL — February 14, 2008 @ 9:18 am
Thirty years has been sufficient time for the so called kids to get over the loss. We all have sufficient baggage to carry. My advice to the family is to move forward and live the rest of your life happy.
Comment by Merlin — February 14, 2008 @ 9:41 am
It is very brave of you, Michael and Melissa, to continue to seek answers. Amanda would be extremely proud of you! I hope you will get facts and they will bring you the peace you all deserve. Alice and Bobby would also be extremely proud of you both.
Comment by Elissa Yount — February 14, 2008 @ 9:50 am
well, i’ll try again. the first two posts i submitted did not ultimately get posted. not sure why … maybe because i mentioned the name of this “well known” man … this prominent attorney in Henderson … this scum-bag who has walked about freely for 30 years … who has gone on with his life as if he’s above the law even though he’s supposed to be a respecter, defender, and upholder of “the law.” i’m sure he’s well aware that not only are his hands stained with the blood of Alice Burgess, but they are likewise complicit in the ‘disappearance’ of evidence from this capital murder case from the Vance County courthouse. whether or not justice is served here on earth or not, indeed we all will face our Maker someday (as will he) and justice will no doubt be appropriately, fairly, and proportionately dispensed at that time. i certainly believe that the God of the Bible is a loving God; i also know that He is a just and righteous God. not only did he rob three (3) precious children of their mother at very young and tender ages, but in doing so effectively transferred deep scarring to their lives that they continue dealing with to this very day. also, he robbed each and everyone of her future grandchildren of someone who would have been a wonderful grandmother. i hope and trust he pays.
Comment by jimmy — February 14, 2008 @ 9:59 am
Micheal I wish you and your family the best of luck in solving your mom’s murder.
Comment by Iz Baker — February 14, 2008 @ 10:32 am
I would hope that after all this time, whoever the degenerate is responsible for this senseless act would at least develop a conscience and come forward to give this family some closure and peace of mind, but since that hasn’t happened, it would be a wonderful act of kindness and the right thing to do if anyone who knows anything would come forward and speak up, and not just for the reward, but that would be the icing on the cake now wouldn’t it?
Comment by susan — February 14, 2008 @ 10:33 am
Michael and Melissa – Your family in Maryland are with you and pray for the answers that you DESERVE.
Comment by Sheryl Mellett — February 14, 2008 @ 10:37 am
I was very young when this happened, but I do remember my sisters and parents talking about this. If the “well known” man is who they said did it, this town will be in a shock (or maybe not). I personally hope it comes out.
Comment by i think i know — February 14, 2008 @ 10:48 am
The man who is rumored is free and will stay free. I am sure he has paid dearly over the years from rumors and innuendo. Think about his family. The sadness that they have experienced of the years. What is this rush to judgment? I am sure there are other suspects. Come on!
Comment by Merlin — February 14, 2008 @ 11:30 am
Over the years I have watched a dear friend struggle with the “not knowing” of what happened to his mother. It is my opinion that everyone knows who killed her and it is very unfortunate that the prominent individuals in the town did nothing to arrest and convict the real killer. It is my hope that the state and/or federal officials will do what is needed to resolve this murder so that Michael and Melissa will finally get the closure that they need and deserve.
Comment by K. Norman — February 14, 2008 @ 11:45 am
Our prayers are with you every day. You know that we love you and if there is anything that we can do to make all of this easier for you, please let us know.
Comment by The Beyer Family — February 14, 2008 @ 11:59 am
Our thoughts and prayers are with you and your family. God Bless.
Catherine
Comment by Catherine Wall — February 14, 2008 @ 12:14 pm
Alice was a sweet girl & very pretty! Went to school together. All comments all the years ever heard about this killer was the local well known man. Hopefully is will be solved.
Comment by .....just curious — February 14, 2008 @ 12:58 pm
Imagine going to sleep one night only to wake up and discover that your mother did not come home? then to learn that your mother will never come home because you were told she has died and gone to heaven.
Imagine as you grow up, you learn that her life was taken from her, brutally, savagely, viciously by an individual that still walks free.
Imagine that you cannot share your wedding day, the birth of your children or Mother’s Day with your mother because her life was carelessly taken when you were a child.
Imagine how you will describe the death of your mother to your children when they ask where is their Daddy’s Mommy? What happened to her?
Imagine that when you finally have the support and courage to open the case of your mother’s death, you discover that the “well known” individual that may be the criminal, has never been tried or questioned and continues to walk free among us.
Could that murderer act out again? To you? or your loved one? Age does not forgive or control anger that powerful. Does that individual deserve to live in peace as they grow older and try to grow closer to God? You will not succeed until you are FORGIVEN.
Everyone has a mother. For 30 years to not have the answer to who killed Alice Burgess is unacceptable in a society that has such advanced technology! To ask for the individual to be held accountable for their actions is what every person who has read this blog would expect at a minimum for their mother, daughter or sister.
If the individual that is responsible is reading this, you cannot be FORGIVEN until you ask to for FORGIVENESS.
Please share this information with any person you know that can help solve this case.
Comment by Your Wife — February 14, 2008 @ 1:00 pm
We continue to pray for an answer. We love each of you and are looking forward to this bringing some answers to you. Love, The Henderson Family
Comment by The Henderson Family — February 14, 2008 @ 2:08 pm
Michael and Melissa-I pray that you and your families will find the answers to the questions that surround you. Please know how special you are to my family, and know that we are here for you.
Comment by Michelle Shimberg — February 14, 2008 @ 2:13 pm
I hope the children & family of Alice get to see justice done finally. This is so sad. I have a great admiration for you in continuing to pursue this. It is not fair for the person who did this to live a regular life all these years while she didn’t get to see her children grow up, take care of the one who was so sick & missed all the joys this life gives us.
Someone told me a couple of weeks ago who was rumored to have done this. In a way I was shocked & then I realized that this person has always been a scum bag as far as most people are concerned. Why someone won’t mention his name out loud is unreal. Maybe it was mentioned back then, I don’t know. Maybe everyone feels the way I do. They could be wrong & then be in a lot of trouble for saying the name.
God bless you Michael & Melissa as you continue to keep this alive! We all hope this person will be arrested & convicted & soon now!
Comment by gracie rags — February 14, 2008 @ 2:21 pm
Hopefully time has loosened lips and you will get the information you need to solve this case, get some justice for your mom and bring closure to your family.
Comment by Mildred Grimsley — February 14, 2008 @ 2:29 pm
I don’t know who this person is, but if somebody does, mention it and let them investigate for the sake of the children. It is only the right thing to do. Whoever this person is must be a monster to have lived with this all of these years.
Comment by Interesting — February 14, 2008 @ 4:34 pm
Oops, my bad. Found the answer to my question in the article, which, evidently, I DID NOT READ VERY WELL.
Comment by truth be told — February 14, 2008 @ 4:38 pm
If the name was in the public and published at the time; why can’t it be mentioned in the telling of the event???
Comment by north star — February 14, 2008 @ 5:05 pm
hello #19 … perhaps you’re the scum-bag of which everyone speaks — or at least close to this maggot. Michael and Melissa have talked with the ‘suspect’ that was tried and acquitted some 20+ years ago for the murder of their mother. i know; i was present. based on what we’ve learned about another crime that the DA and a ‘particular investigator’ tried to pin on this same individual … and with Melissa having taken it upon herself to speak directly to the victim of that crime … and having heard this lady speak very forthrightly and openly that the alleged person ‘they were trying to pin this on’ was absolutely not the person who had committed this act against her … well, jack (#19) … there’s only one bozo left and that’s this “well known” person (maybe you, maybe your dad, maybe a close relative) whom you seem to defend. all i know is that ‘the heat is on’ and it ain’t gonna get any lighter! :) if only you might be so bold as to share with this “well known” scum-bag that there’s a very strong possibility that he did not manage to totally cause “all the evidence to vanish” … you might not help him sleep at night, but you might be doing him a favor in that he’ll have time to be preparing himself menatally for spending the remainder of his ‘golden years’ with many of the people he sent to where he’ll likely be soon living. :) remember, God is in control — not this man, nor any other. miracles still happen; we’ve seen many over the past 2-3 years as Michael and Melissa have bravely pursued this. trust me, the best is yet to come.
Comment by jimmy — February 14, 2008 @ 5:05 pm
***hello to #27 & #29 & to anyone else interested in having this “well known” man’s name mentioned ***
… i’ve all but begged the producer of ‘NC’s Wanted’ to air the name, but they’ve got their boundaries so that they conduct themselves in a manner “which upholds and respects the law”. how ironic! the very “well known” person/suspect — this lawyer — has less regard and respect for the law (even though in the profession) than the television program that is destined to be aired in an attempt to locate, arrest, and ultimately bring about the conviction of this white collar thug!!! makes you sick doesn’t it? … well, just for the sake of letting everyone know, the very first posting i sent to this site this a.m. never was allowed due to mentioning this “well known” wimp’s name.
here is the comment i received from this site’s administrator –
I deleted the following post because it intimated that the man you named committed the murder of Alice Burgess. While I don’t deny that this might be true, I can’t afford to open the site up to possible litigation over the issue.
Thank you for your understanding.
Jason
obviously, i respect and understand Jason’s reasoning and position. thus, all i can say to everyone/anyone interested in seeing justice prevail in this case — please pray earnestly that Romans 13: 1-5 is fulfilled in regards to this case. provided it is, justice will be served and this person will have an opportunity to repent. even though it will be very late, it’s always better late than never.
Comment by jimmy — February 14, 2008 @ 5:23 pm
What a tragedy. Hopefully, the Burgess family will find the truth. Michael has carried a heavy burden far too long. He has his mother’s strong will.
Comment by Radical American — February 14, 2008 @ 5:57 pm
The support that continues to come from the Henderson Community and our family and friends is so important to our family! Please continue to share this message with anyone so that the word can get out and justice can be served! The show will air this weekend, maybe our “well know” man will come forward and admit what he has done!
Comment by Dana Burgess — February 14, 2008 @ 6:21 pm
We have known Michael and Melissa for over 15 years now and are proud to have Michael as our son-in-law. Both of them have grown, married and are raising families and have become productive members of society.
In spite of their successes, they are haunted by the knowledge that their mother was brutally murdered and the perpertrator is still at large. I say “at large” even though most people familiar with this case have a very good idea who did the crime.
This is 2008 and the “good old boy” should be brought to justice. Hopefully the good citizens of Henderson and Vance County will come to their senses and bring forth the evidence to convict this individual.
As long as he remains free, the pain and suffering of the family will continue. Let’s bring this case to a conclusion and allow the Burgess and Baker families to move forward with their lives.
Comment by ray & janet morgan — February 14, 2008 @ 7:28 pm
It will air on Fox 50 at 10:30pm on Jan. 16 and Jan. 23rd.
Melissa
Comment by Melissa Baker — February 14, 2008 @ 8:01 pm
correction #37 The date is February 16 and February 23rd.
Comment by Joyce Pendergrass Atchison — February 14, 2008 @ 8:09 pm
This looks very bad for the past 2 or 3 sheriff ‘s. This is the 2nd unsolved murder in this county, (Cecil Chacon is the other). He was an great teacher.
Comment by The REAL DEAL — February 14, 2008 @ 8:10 pm
Who’s property was the car found on?
Comment by George — February 14, 2008 @ 8:29 pm
Whose property was the car found on? Sorry for the spelling.
Comment by George — February 14, 2008 @ 8:31 pm
Alice Burgess, a beautiful, spirited young woman who loved her kids more than anything was brutally beaten with a bumper jack November 29, 1977, the year Elvis died. I remember lying on the floor as she held me watching his funeral on television. He was one of her favorite artist. “Blue Eyes Crying in The Rain” by Willie Nelson and “Take it to the Limit” by the Eagles were two of her favorite songs. She worked hard to make a better life for herself and her kids. She loved. A young woman, she also wanted to love and be loved. Someone she knew took advantage of this search and she paid the ultimate price. I and two sisters lost a mother. She lost everything. I know she is okay, because of her belief. But I can’t help but think about her last moments. A weak little man took her life. He brutally beat this young woman to death. With the force only a deranged violent man could muster, he hit her over and over with a bumper jack. Any one of three blows was sufficient, but it wasn’t enough for him. Her last thoughts were that of fear and worthlessness. Her last sight was that of rage and violence. I wish I was the potential victim about twenty years ago. His last thoughts would be that of fear and worthlessness. His last sight would have been that of rage and violence. What man walks through life carrying this picture. Has he rationalized thoughts of inadequacy. Thoughts that this beautiful young woman didn’t have the same feelings for him that he may have had for her. I will never know, but this is not for me. This is about her, a lovely, young, spirited mother of three who wanted to love and be loved.
Comment by Michael — February 14, 2008 @ 8:34 pm
Michael’s family has become very dear to us in the past year and we are so very very hopeful that some type of resolution will come from this. They deserve some relief.
Much love, M & S Jennette
Comment by the Jennettes — February 14, 2008 @ 8:39 pm
Reply to #38 and #39. The car was found where Kerr/Vance Academy Road meets the Old County Home Road. Traveling toward Old County Home Road, on your left there are some old pack houses just beyond a tree line. This area was known as Lover’s Lane. On the right side of the road on a wooded lot is a cabin. I have heard two different stories about ownership.
Comment by Michael — February 14, 2008 @ 8:44 pm
Correction #37. The NC Wanted episode airs in 2 parts. February 16 and February 23 at 10:30pm on Fox 50.
Comment by Michael — February 14, 2008 @ 8:49 pm
Our prayers are with both Michael and Melissa’s families. We are here to support you, just call on us if you need us. We will continue to pray for justice, closure and healing in this situation.
Love, The Roughtons
Comment by The Roughtons — February 14, 2008 @ 9:57 pm
Does anyone know if there is dna available from the scene or did that disappear over the years?
Comment by DNA — February 14, 2008 @ 10:15 pm
Why does #47 care about DNA?
Comment by Joyce Pendergrass Atchison — February 14, 2008 @ 10:23 pm
#47 Maybe. I’ll bet anything that the killer has spoken over the years to someone. My Dad always said that no one commits a crime without talking, unless you are a complete psychopath. Something tells me that this person is not completely insane, weak maybe, but not insane. Someone or more than one in your town knows. There have been talks of conspiracy, incompetence, threats, etc. Someone you know may know someone. Thanks for your concern.
Comment by Michael — February 14, 2008 @ 10:26 pm
Are there any rumors in town? Past or present?
Comment by Michael — February 14, 2008 @ 10:28 pm
Wasn’t there a full page ad taken out in the Henderson Daily Dispatch by someone who claimed that they did not commit this crime? Do I remember something about someone being thrown through a glass door? Do I recall someone resigning from the Legislature? I truly cannot remember all the facts but someone out there ought to.
Comment by Remember This? — February 14, 2008 @ 10:31 pm
If anyone wishes to communicate directly with Michael, I’d be happy to act as an intermediary. I’ll keep all confidences, as always.
Comment by Jason Feingold, Ed. — February 14, 2008 @ 10:37 pm
Good question Joyce & quick thinking.
Another mystery in Henderson that was never solved was the disappearance of Jerry White. I grew up with him & his sister Ellen. This has always been a sad thing to me also. I never even heard that anyone had any idea what might have happened to him.
This is so sad for Alice’s children, Jerry’s children & anyone that has had to go through such a horrible ordeal.
Comment by gracie rags — February 14, 2008 @ 10:42 pm
#51, there was an article several years ago placed in the Dispatch by one of your past DAs discarding rumors about a certain person for this crime. This person was running for office during a time of heavy suspicion.
Comment by Michael — February 14, 2008 @ 10:47 pm
I wonder if this have been during the term of Vance Sheriff Linwood Falkner or Sheriff Bobby Hamm? Both would have done their all to arrest the killer, however.
Comment by Which Sheriff? — February 14, 2008 @ 10:50 pm
Tire Iron = DNA
This case should take precendent!! RIGHT NOW!! If any cold case screams evidence this is the one! Does the state of North Carolina have the capacity to follow up? Well that question has yet to be answered… I am shocked as an out of state blogger to read how many OBVIOUS morsels of evidence are present. What does the state desire to follow up on their behalf? It is troubling to find such a passive attitude on the state, county and districts behalf. Sand in the hour glass will not prevail!! The mountain of perserverance has only begun!!
Comment by DoctorMorgano11 — February 14, 2008 @ 10:55 pm
I echo the sentiments that this case needs to be explored further. For a family to be haunted by this crime for 30 years without a resolution is beyond comprehension considering modern police procedures.
Join me in my prayers for the Burgess and Baker families and take a moment to support their search for answers.
Comment by Brian in MD — February 14, 2008 @ 11:13 pm
Sheriff Linwood Falkner was in when the murder took place. Sheriff Bobby Hamm was in office when the trial of Eddie Williams took place.
Comment by Michael — February 14, 2008 @ 11:14 pm
Joyce,
I asked the question bc if there were evidence out there which may contain the murderer’s dna, I would hope the courts could convict whomever was responsible. Whoever thller is, he needs to be brought to justice. With DNA, today’s technology can prove a case beyond a shaddow of a doubt.
Comment by DNA — February 14, 2008 @ 11:21 pm
http://www.ncwanted.com/unsolved/story/2276583/
Comment by Kudos to NC Wanted! — February 14, 2008 @ 11:25 pm
Was anyone charged with Reginald Stone’s murder? Heard a well known name on that one as well.
Comment by .....just curious — February 14, 2008 @ 11:29 pm
Because of my compassion for human life I would dare not say some of the stupid stuff that some the same people that have posted on this site said when that baby “the young girl that killed”. But I recognized the difference from one death to another. What I don’t understand is the fact that both people the young mother and the young daughter were both humans that was murdered and some of the same fools that are posting now had such negative things to say when that child got MURDERED. A murder is a murder regardless of the age, sex, race. Yet some of you showed no compassion when that child was killed. I say both murderers should pay a price, but death is not the answer. The only difference in these two situations is that a young mother was killed and a young child was killed. Also the fact that one was black and the other was white. One was older than the other. Yet both had blood running through their veins and were female. As for the so called well known man that is another story for another time. I don’t remember the details of the murder, but it appears that some of you were there to have seen and accuse this man of the murder. With talk like this Henderson would not be a good place to have a jury pool, simply because of the posting and some of the details placed on this site, that is considering that a lot of people read it. As for unsolved murders, Henderson have more than just 2 unsolved murders. Maybe someone is talking about people that they know, but facts are facts.
I pray that this family receive the closure that they deserve. Or most importantly that God allows them to accept the fact if the person that was the cause of their loved ones death is not found. Either way I pray peace and acceptance for the family, especially the children of this lady.
Comment by ridingthesun — February 15, 2008 @ 12:12 am
#53 Gracie – I grew up with them, too. I always wondered what happened to him. That too had to be so hard on that family. I believe his mom is still living, so she has had many, many years to wonder also.
Comment by Interesting — February 15, 2008 @ 4:33 am
#54 / #56 … let’s not stop at the sheriffs. let’s not forget other potential ‘pupets’ for this guy … the Vance County DA for decades, David Waters … and of course, investigators such as Jimmy Cordell (who was, by the way, the last person to sign-out ‘the evidence’) … correct me if my facts are wrong Michael. when i stated previously in #32 that ‘the best is yet to come’ i wasn’t merely referring to ‘potential DNA evidence’ … perhaps there’s the possibility that the ‘good ole boy’s club of Vance County’ is on the brink of being brought to justice for their bumbling of the this case … rather than incompetence – - rings of conspiracy, doesn’t it??? having met with and heard Eddie Williams speak about this, look him directly in his eyes, and knowing now directly from another ‘supposed victim’ of his that ‘Starsky & Hutch’ (as he referred to Waters & Cordell) were simply looking/aiming at him to ‘close files’ by pinning crimes on him … it all seems to point to a very, very ugly and corrupt system of law & justice in the Henderson / Vance County community. Alice was not raped. the autopsy report concludes this; common sense reinforces it. the acts engaged in that night were consentual – - zero signs of force, plus she was dressed when she was brutally murdered. does anyone believe that there would be zero signs of ‘forced relations’ … or for that matter, would her killer have been so decent as to have requested that she get dressed prior to savagely beating her to death??? NO!!! she knew her killer and her killer knew her!!! right there, Eddie Williams is undoubtedly & completely eliminated!!! only one person remains! someone have the courage to come forward. your name does not have to be known. someone, likely more than one, knows some key component that would point to Alice’s killer. this person should not remain above the law. it’s been thirty years. everyone with knowledge of the truth is a lot closer to their graves (and ultimately to facing their Maker) than they realize. hopefully, at least one of them will wish to go to their death bed without carrying this weight they’ve been burdened with for three decades.
Comment by Jimmy Baker — February 15, 2008 @ 5:53 am
riding the sun. A lot of folk (black, white, purple, green or orange) are tired of the same ole same ole. It’s time to drop the color thing and let good, decent people come together and take back the community where we live. It is that simple.
Comment by bloggerella — February 15, 2008 @ 6:57 am
riding the sun… This case will never be solved, but please refrain from bringing race into the scope. Were you on the OJ jury? Before you call on Jessie and Al to march down Garnett Street, this forum was not meant for you and your 60′s word play. Society is trying to move beyond this and for you to say that your jury wouldn’t return a fair verdict is another thing wrong with our current justice system. Back off!
Comment by BR — February 15, 2008 @ 7:28 am
Riding in the sun,
I thought the murder of the black girl was deemed an accident. That would be different than one being beaten. I don’t think this has ANYTHING to do with race so find your next gripe, on a different line.
Comment by DNA — February 15, 2008 @ 7:33 am
#65 … Amen to that! and that’s exactly what it will take – - your community – - the town of Henderson / the county of Vance – - banding together to force this issue and let justice prevail. what a sense of pride, accomplishment, and vindication you’ll all have if you can come together to see to it that justice prevails here. likewise, why stop there. with the momentum move straight forward to purge your city and county officials of the scum-bags that now hold public office. this can happen easily … it’s as simple as making sure the message is conveyed, heard, and acted upon in the power each and everyone of you have in your right to vote. make it happen. reclaim your community and restore it to decent, respectable underpinnings by transferring power to better people that maintain an expected level of integrity for administering the duties of a public office. Get moving. Let this create the ground-swale that you ride to make the change for real and lasting positive impact where you live.
Comment by jimmy baker — February 15, 2008 @ 7:37 am
#66 … i’ve not commented on the rightness or injustice towards Eddie Williams about the crime he ‘was convicted of’ in the ‘murder’ of the young black girl. personally, i still wrestle somewhat with the knowledge that we have now about other ‘alleged crimes’ he commited. having met the man and watched closely his demeanor, body language, eye contact, rate of breathing, etc. as Michael and Melissa asked him time and time again if killed their mother, i’m convinced that he did not. Michael and Melissa are of the same opinion. i’m only stating that which my family and the Burgess family now know (believe in our hearts) … that Mr. Williams was most likely on the verge of being framed for the crime of Melissa’s & Michael’s mother’s murder – - for now we know absolutely that the ‘law officials’ were bent on convicting him for the crime against this other ‘alleged victim’. i’m sure this goes on far more than it should and far more than many/most of us would like to acknowledge. it even gives me cause to question did he or did he not actually ‘murder’ that young girl. regardless, he spent 28 years of his life in prison for that conviction. was it right? was it wrong? was there justice there? only God and Mr. Williams ultimately know the answers to these.
Comment by jimmy baker — February 15, 2008 @ 7:50 am
Riding the sun, the little girls murder was due mostly to bad parenting. You don’t leave your child with a convicted felon to baby sit. This woman was murdered in cold blood, and at point blank. There a difference and it’s not race, 1 was an accident/stupidity, the other was pre meditated.
Comment by The REAL DEAL — February 15, 2008 @ 7:57 am
You two must be guilty of what you accuse me of. I merely stated a fact. I never pulled a race card you did. I simply said (I stand by what I said) some of the same people that posted about the murder of this woman was saying weeks ago some very foul things. Once again to reinterate what I previously said “murder is murder” regardless of “age, race or sex”. Some of these same people that are so disgusted about a murder that happened “30 years ago” were some of the same people that were so negative in what they had to say about the little girl that even though by “accident” was murdered. If you care to pull the race card then thats your business, but as for me I say once again is that a “life” was taken. Just like the death of those children’s mom shook some of these heartless people, a childs death should have done the same. No one mentioned the mother in a negative way. There very well could have been some things that could be said that could blemish this woman, but people hide what they want. Thats another story for another day.I can’t even do it and I refuse to, simply because I don’t know anything about this woman and even if I did I wouldn’t say anything because this is a sore subject (which is to be expected) with these now adults that lost their mother at an early age. But when that child gets “murdered” all types of hurtful things came out on this blog.
Comment by ridingthesun — February 15, 2008 @ 10:13 am
Soon it will all be at rest so you and your family can rest…
Hang in there!
Comment by Magan — February 15, 2008 @ 10:29 am
Post #39 – Did you mean the 2nd unsolved to be broadcast on NC Wanted? Because there are quite a few unsolved murders in Vance County.
Comment by too many unsolved — February 15, 2008 @ 10:55 am
Michael – at this very emotional time for you and Melissa – as well as Dana and the girls – please know that you are in my thoughts and if there is anything I can do (other than support all of your efforts), please let me know. Your Raleigh “family” is behind you and hoping you can find some peace and closure.
Comment by Nancy — February 15, 2008 @ 11:51 am
Yes “too many unsolved”–you are so right. Maybe it is time to bring the state in to investigate–I can think of at least three unsolved–and is the same detective involved in the investigations?? Not to mention the mess made of trials which have resulted in mistrials–which costs the taxpayers and reflects poorly on the system.
Comment by north star — February 15, 2008 @ 1:00 pm
Alice was my cousin and although I was too young to remember her very well I do remember the impact this had on Mike, Melissa, and Amanda. So, Merlin, #19, what an inconciderate, selfish, idiot you are. Are you speaking on behalf of the barber, the attorney, or Vance County Law Enforcement?!? All of whom fall into that same category.
Mike and Melissa, I wish you all the luck in the world with this. I do believe its going to take someone in Law Enforcement stepping in from outside of Vance County to get anything around there solved. They run “thick as thieves” around there.
Who knows…maybe someone will figure it out and then the murders of my friends, Cecil Chacon and Emma Terry will follow suit.
Comment by Sergeant First Class Tannis McFall Alt — February 15, 2008 @ 2:14 pm
Be sure to pull up the article on here about this and go all the way to the bottom. There are 2 links that will give you further information, give you an opportunity to send an anonymous tip to WRAL, and give you the opportunity to be notified about what is going on.
Comment by Interesting — February 15, 2008 @ 5:57 pm
To #12 and #19 – Merlin – you sound like the guilty one. Interesting name you use on here. Obviously, you have never lost a loved one to say 30 years should be sufficient – a lifetime is not sufficient. What a hard-harded idiot you are.
Comment by Interesting — February 15, 2008 @ 6:04 pm
Hopefully, everyone in Vance County/Henderson will take the time to look at this on WRAL. Hopefully, this “person” will also look and come forward for the crime that he committee. If not, hopefully, others will name him and he will be arrested and convicted. Seems like enough people seem to know exactly who he is, what he does, and that he is still in Henderson now after all these years. HOW could he sleep at night and live with himself during the day? Amazing.
Comment by Interesting — February 15, 2008 @ 6:08 pm
Riding in the sun sounds like one of our famous city council members who claims to be righteous, is first to pull the race card, but then blames others for making the subject at hand racism.
Comment by DNA — February 15, 2008 @ 7:06 pm
What do you call a duck? I call your play with words fascinating. People use words and circumstances to benefit themselves. Don’t act self righteous with me. No I am not a council member so you can eliminate that one. I am although a person that calls the game like I see it. It isn’t about race, but it is about a life. A white life, a black life, a Hispanic life. I get sick and tired of people acting like they are holier than thou. The ones of you that decided to type and talk about the little girl and the circumstances that led to her death are examples of people that care only for those that they like. Yet you want everyone to have compassion for who you want them to have compassion for. You showed no compassion when that little girl died. I read all the negative comments about that child, some of you said what you wanted. Then you want to accuse me of pulling the race card. Spare me that bull. I said a little girl, you were the one that said black girl. I said the woman, yet you didn’t say the white woman. So don’t try to twist what I said to benefit you and your circumstances, because it will not work. Some of you have proven exactly what I was talking about. See I, too can play with words just like you. Yet some of you mention about the 2 unsolved murders in Henderson and then you mentioned the 30 year old murder and Cecil well there were others and you failed to acknowledge them. So yes should I chose to say something about race this would be the opportune time for me to do so. Of course none of you would agree with what I said, frankly I don’t give a damn. So ignore me, don’t respond. I say a hit dog hollers so Rover keep hollering. Whats important is that unsolved murders happen in Henderson all the time. People tend to drop like flies all the time “No one death is anymore important than another.”
Comment by ridingthesun — February 15, 2008 @ 9:40 pm
He who hides his sins will be reveled in the days of truth. Those who hide the truth will be exposed as conspirators. A Mother’s blood will always call for revelation. Perhaps a quarter or half century will pass between the truth and the cover up, but the truth will prevail. That is a sad ending of the cover up of the murder, but a real ending for the face on the other end of the tire iron. The eyes are the reflection of where the soul stands. Where do those eyes you daily engage direct you? Deny or Seek, a wolf is loose.
Comment by Radical American — February 15, 2008 @ 9:46 pm
riding the sun,
I’m curious to know who, on this thread as you say commented bad on the little girl’s death? I personally don’t even recall seeing the story on here so maybe you can point out the date and story line from HiH?
Comment by DNA — February 15, 2008 @ 11:17 pm
January 15th
Comment by ridingthesun — February 16, 2008 @ 1:07 am
Don’t forget that WRAL will run this tonight at 10:30 and again on FOX 50 on Feb. 23 at 10:30.
Comment by Interesting — February 16, 2008 @ 7:08 am
I like this ridingthesun person. Keep giving it to them!
Comment by Boss Hogg — February 16, 2008 @ 7:44 am
It does not matter what color a person”s skin is,or their background,if they were murdered, THE KILLER needs to be brought to justice.so,let’s not get to arguing among ourselves.The purpose of this was to find a killer.Let’s make it so hard on the police and politicians that they will establish a cold case squad,if they do not have one already.My suggestion will be for all cold cases,family members start calling the sheriff on a daily basis and ask him what he plans to do about catching these killers.Remember the sheriff is employed by you,the tax payer and the voter,You are not employed by the sheriff.Have enough guts to tell him that.Demand that he does something in all of these cases.Remember,COLD CASE SQUAD!
Comment by Joyce Pendergrass Atchison — February 16, 2008 @ 8:17 am
let’s consider the facts. at the time all this occured, Alice was involved with this “well known” prominent attorney in town. SBI investigator Joe Momier (and others i’m sure) know the history of violent behavior of this “well known” prominent attorney towards his former wife. the is documented (medical & likely other ‘domestic dispute’ info) evidence of how he physically abused/beat his wife. eventually, she managed to summon the courage to leave and ultimately divorce this scumbag. … so, now let’s move into his ‘little world’. quite a lot of it centered right there around the very proximity of the crime scene. i understand that there was ‘the cabin’ … now home to another of his cronies … that was only a short walking distance from the crime scene. it’s been acknowledged that there was a ‘party’ at ‘the cabin’ the night Alice was murdered. in therory, it’s not much of a stretch to think that Alice may have planned to meet him there after she left the bar that night, slip over to ‘Lover’s Lane’, engage in the relationship that they’d been having, and then simply plan to drop him back off and head home to her children. … but, something went terribly wrong. neither of them planned for the car getting stuck to it’s axle in mud. from the scene it’s obvious that there was an attempt made to get the car ‘unstuck’ … materials had been placed under the tire(s) in a failed attempt to get the car out. let’s face it, Alice didn’t have a lot. she had her new home, her car, and her children who she was determined to get back home to. perhaps Alice insighted the rage and fury in this “well known” and documented violent man by stating that she’d simply walk to his home, which by the way was again not far from the crime scene at the time, and simply request to use the phone … or maybe even request a ride home. whatever the case, a night of intended pleasure turned south and spawned the events that triggered this man’s fury to be unleashed on her. if you ask me, the circle is closing, the neuse is tightening. “well known” man/attorney … how are you sleeping at night??? do you look forward to the day that there’s a knock at your door with a court order for you to submit DNA evidence for evaluation to clear your name??? or, do you shudder and cringe at the thought that after all this time the truth will come to light? all i can say is — it is coming! and it’s coming sooner than you might believe or expect! make your peace w/ your Maker. and, for your sake, you might take up seriously praying (if you know and are known by God) that where you get housed that not too many of the victims of injustice at your hand are there.
Comment by jimmy baker — February 16, 2008 @ 8:55 am
you’ve crossed the boundaries that i’ve been hoping you’d all cross. keep it going. i’ll end up in a better position than many of you. so what!? what if i did do it? it can and will never be proven. drop your wishful thinking & get on with your lives. you may wish to even begin consulting with a competent attorney in your area.
Comment by ghost man — February 16, 2008 @ 12:48 pm
Well, after reading all the comments on here; i would hope that the one that most everyone believes comitted the murder would have enough balls to at least respond even if under a fake name. Come on stop being a wimp! you should have enough money to go get another computer, another name & defend yourself, grow some balls.
Comment by fred — February 16, 2008 @ 1:03 pm
Fred, I believe Merlin is him. Just purely a guess, but read his posts. And the name Merlin – rather odd. Oh, the one that did it is a WIMP for sure, living for all these year, pillar of the community, enjoying life – what a monster.
Comment by Interesting — February 16, 2008 @ 1:15 pm
fred, are you as backwoods and ignorant as you seem from your post? did you finish 3rd grade? are you from NC? or maybe some metro area city slum? try improving your vocabulary if you want to respond to me.
Comment by merlin — February 16, 2008 @ 1:36 pm
well, no response means one of two things; you are scared or you know they are on to you. I believe it is the last one, you would think that someone that could murder could at least respond. I guess I am right, maybe we will just call you NOBALLS!!!!!
Comment by fred — February 16, 2008 @ 1:39 pm
A lot of us old timers have waited a long time for justice in this case. A lot of underhanded dealings and coverups lead to no one being arrested. Several people could be arrested for obstruction of justice if the entire truth ever came out. I wish it could.
Comment by It'sJustMe — February 16, 2008 @ 2:21 pm
fred, what do you care? what is any of this to you? you probably didn’t even know Alice Burgess, did you? you probably do not even know her children, do you? you probably just sit in front of your computer all day typing respones to blogs like this because you simply do not have a life. get a life! get a grip! deal with the facts. 30 years have passed. time heals all wounds. get over it. move on to some other blog where your ignorant comments might be appreciated. you’re obviously not in the realm of the white collar league. get on your uniform and get to work! leave your computer alone and get off your can and go out to provide whatever pathetic living you can provide for your family. i am sure they’ll appreciate that much more from you than your flinging around ignorant comments on some blog.
Comment by merlin — February 16, 2008 @ 3:24 pm
Merlin, do you think the wounds of Alice Burgess’s children have healed? What if it were your mother? You know, it’s also sad that you have to resort to putting others down since you don’t think they are as good as you are or “not in the realm of the white collar league.” Well, I am a member of the white collar league and I believe no one, not even the “the white collar league members” are above the law. Right is right and wrong is wrong….it does not matter who you are. FYI-this is a blog – who cares about grammatical errors? Grammatical errors and all it looks like Fred really got you a little hot under the collar.
Comment by SAD — February 16, 2008 @ 3:45 pm
merlin, after 50 hrs. & 6 minutes, you are responding again. I guess I would just call you a dumb educated white collar __________. after reading your other responses from the 14th and then you were quiet, i did just what i wanted to do. Not so ignorant.
Comment by fred — February 16, 2008 @ 4:12 pm
Merlin, I prefer to believe time wounds all heels.
Comment by north star — February 16, 2008 @ 4:32 pm
fred / north star: get a life. 30 years. move on.
Comment by merlin — February 16, 2008 @ 4:49 pm
The family just received an annonymous phone call from someone in Henderson. They have increased the reward by another $10,000. We are very grateful. This brings the reward to $25,000.
Comment by Melissa Baker — February 16, 2008 @ 5:11 pm
That is GREAT news, Melissa. I hope this brings him/them out of the woods after all these years and that somebody is convicted. Also, on the WRAL site, you can give tips. The one that is mentioned at the end of the article up top.
Comment by Interesting — February 16, 2008 @ 5:21 pm
Merlin, so, you are in the “white collar league?” Thought so.
Comment by Interesting — February 16, 2008 @ 5:23 pm
Boss Hogg, the only thing worse than a bad principle, is a short principle.
Comment by Danny DeVitto — February 16, 2008 @ 5:28 pm
fred / north star: all your and other’s ramblings will not bring about an arrest and conviction. not even with the petty $25,000.00 reward. this is chump-change. get real! does the family really think that a meager $25k will get someone, anyone to break their silence after 30 years!? obviously not too many bloggers here have an adequate comprehension of who they’re dealing with here. move on!
Comment by merlin — February 16, 2008 @ 7:31 pm
WRAL is airing this tonight and also the 23rd on Fox 50 at 10:30?Just making sure I’m right.Thanks.
Comment by John McClane — February 16, 2008 @ 7:36 pm
to everyone … make time to watch NC’s Wanted tonight! we were allowed a preview of the show that’s to air tonight. WOW!!! you’ll all (except for maybe BR & Merlin) be very, very pleased and impressed with what you’ll see!
community of Henderson & Vance County … get involved & get moving to reclaim your community! it is obvious from various posts here that the injustice in your community runs deep! turn the table and turn the tide … Big Mo is now on your side! don’t miss your opportunity to clean things up.
Comment by jimmy baker — February 16, 2008 @ 7:36 pm
john mcclane … yes, you’re correct. tonight and next saturday night at 10:30pm. spread the word!
Comment by jimmy baker — February 16, 2008 @ 7:38 pm
Merlin #96.What an arrogant comment! 30 years does not erase the fact a crime was committed. And it sure doesn’t make the guilty any less guilty because 30 years have passed.
Comment by Joker — February 16, 2008 @ 7:45 pm
Merlin, you are not worth the time. have you ever thought that maybe a backwoods blue collar worker is being used to get you to respond? there are many ways to track on line action, maybe that is what is happening right now & your dumb educated white collar _ _ _ is being trapped.
Comment by fred — February 16, 2008 @ 8:05 pm
fred, typical so typical. ignorance in it’s purest form. just how little do you know?
Comment by merlin — February 16, 2008 @ 8:12 pm
fred, are u still living with your mom & dad? you must be. no grown up could possibly be as dumb as you. isn’t time for you to report in for your shift?
Comment by merlin — February 16, 2008 @ 8:13 pm
joker: arrogance? no. just the plain and simple truth. wise up and deal with it. it’s well past time for you all to do so.
Comment by merlin — February 16, 2008 @ 8:15 pm
I guess I am bothering your dumb white collar _ _ _ enough to have you sitting at your computer.
Comment by fred — February 16, 2008 @ 8:25 pm
merlin “just the plain and simple truth” maybe one day the family of this crime will know it. maybe they will know who robbed them of their loved one.
I dont know you or if you have a family, but if you do and something like this happened to your family would you still have the same ole 30 years get over it attitude?
Comment by Joker — February 16, 2008 @ 9:00 pm
Jimmy,thanks a lot!Will do!I should have read the top of the page and I would have known tonight was the show.(Sorry Jason,I’ll read more closely next time).Thanks.
Comment by John McClane — February 16, 2008 @ 9:01 pm
Fred, if they only knew your background, they would know they aren’t talking to a dummy!
Comment by no name — February 16, 2008 @ 9:41 pm
hi no name, i’m with you on fred.
Comment by melissa baker — February 16, 2008 @ 10:05 pm
I had stopped coming to this web site, for well over a year now, because of the same bashing and child like behavior that I have been reading on here today. I wouldn’t be on here now if someone hadn’t called and told me some of the thing that were being said.
I have read every comment and it is plain to see that some of the first comments made were by people who didn’t know Alice, her family, anything or anyone that was in her life, or even the whole story of Alice’s disappearance and murder. It’s plain to see that there are a few very sick people on here who like to say things just to get the pot stirred.
I believe that the $25,000 reward will be a huge help to this case, especially if some “now” crack head or dope head wants some cash. Yes, it was 30 years ago, but there are plenty of 48 year old and older people who are dope heads and crack heads these days. In fact I saw one today and he tried to sell me a CD case full of country music CD’s, he was 50 years old. So maybe someone out there will see the show tonight or hear it through the grapevine that the $25,000 is waiting for them to just tell the story of what they saw that night.
I knew Alice and I knew all 3 of those beautiful children and it’s a terrible thing that they lost their Mommy at all much less at such young ages.
What everyone should be talking about on here is how they can help find out who killed Alice or how it can be proved that BR did it. All the evidence is missing? Wonder how that happened? I hear they are blaming it on a clean up person, but why leave the box with Alice’s name and case number behind? So the clean up person opened the box, took out all the evidence and threw it away, but left the empty box? Makes sense to me, hmm?
Melissa & Michael, both of you and your families are in our thoughts and prayers now and always. Good luck in this search for the truth. If you never find out what happened and who did it, I hope that you can find some peace knowing that God will handle this in the end, he knows ALL!
Please know that we love you and think of you often. You both turned out to be wonderful, successful adults with fine families and we are proud of you too. Hope to talk to you AGAIN soon!
Comment by Sheba — February 16, 2008 @ 10:14 pm
Did I hear correctly; Mrs Burgess had married a second time? I wasn’t living here back then, but if that statement is correct, why is she still referred to as Alice V Burgess? Was the 2nd husband questioned?
God’s speed to those working to bring closure to this family.
Comment by Nosey Rosey — February 16, 2008 @ 11:02 pm
BR or the ex?
Comment by The REAL DEAL — February 16, 2008 @ 11:03 pm
Can’t wait till see next weeks show.
Comment by The REAL DEAL — February 16, 2008 @ 11:04 pm
Alice and the 2nd husband were divorced and she took back her children’s last name, as many divorced mother’s do. There was no need to question the 2nd husband, Alice had gone on with her life as he had. In fact he had already gotten remarried.
Comment by Sheba — February 16, 2008 @ 11:14 pm
real deal … forget about the ex — both of them. Melissa’s & Michael’s dad was cleared and Alice’s 2nd husband was not involved with this whatsoever. leaves only one person — a “well known” person — as the remaining suspect.
Comment by jimmy baker — February 16, 2008 @ 11:23 pm
I’m betting next weeks show won’t be aired on this case.
Comment by no name — February 16, 2008 @ 11:25 pm
“No Name” why do you think that? Do you think the killer has that much pull?
Comment by Sheba — February 16, 2008 @ 11:29 pm
Probably.
Comment by no name — February 16, 2008 @ 11:31 pm
Maybe it will be aired and state that ALL of the COWARDS have been caught.
Comment by Not surprised — February 16, 2008 @ 11:31 pm
#128 – Now that’s a good thought!
Comment by Sheba — February 16, 2008 @ 11:32 pm
You know, with all the forensic expertise now, you’d think they could tell from the wound areas how tall or short the person was swinging the tire iron (that was left at the scene of the crime???). Fingerprints on the tire iron and trunk, any odd hair/dna evidence on the victim from being put into the trunk.
Did I also read that the evidence that was collected “came up” missing?
Comment by no name — February 16, 2008 @ 11:41 pm
no name … the killer may have been someone in his day, but he’s washed up now. it’s just a matter of time. if only you knew what my family and Michael’s family knows. my what advances have been made in forensic sciences over the past 3 decades. go back and read #32 … in fact read all of mine — it’s on and there’s no way for him to dodge this one.
Comment by jimmy baker — February 16, 2008 @ 11:57 pm
Did anyone catch the names on the “attorney” sign halfway through the program? The broadcast stood still for about 10 seconds while showing a still shot of the old courthouse. Interesting shot that was.
Comment by Questions — February 17, 2008 @ 12:09 am
Kind of random?
Comment by no name — February 17, 2008 @ 12:16 am
#133 – Yesssss, I saw that and loved it.
#131 – Yesssss, nothing left but the empty box with Alice’s name and Case #. At least that’s what HE (BR) thinks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Sheba — February 17, 2008 @ 6:55 am
I so hope that this case is solved. I believe after all of this press, especially WRAL coverage that it will be solved. Hopefully, the children will finally be able to have some closure on who did this horrible, horrible thing to their mother and has gotten away with it for all of these years.
Comment by Interesting — February 17, 2008 @ 7:48 am
Mr. NOBALLS after what was shown last night, looks like to me it is time to pin the tail on the donkey.
Comment by fred — February 17, 2008 @ 8:03 am
I’d say you are right, Fred! Good Point!
Comment by Sheba — February 17, 2008 @ 8:33 am
QUICK! NOW! before the box disappears or gets wiped
clean, get the DNA off the box,find out who has been in the box and let them do some explaining. Who ever distroyed the evidence should not be allowed to get away with it…..;.;..
Comment by Barbara — February 17, 2008 @ 9:22 am
Good morning Mr. Blue-collar Fred. Are you responsible for erecting the sign that has people in a frenzy? I know you didn’t do the lettering. I remember playing pin the tail on the donkey when I was 4. As a kid, one of my favorite games was CandyLand. Do you also have the Stretch Armstrong and Colonel Steve Austin action figures?
Comment by merlin — February 17, 2008 @ 9:26 am
Melissa: We enjoyed talking to you last night. Email me your email address I don’t seem to have it anymore. I started to email you this morning, but couldn’t. Thanks
Comment by Sheba — February 17, 2008 @ 9:31 am
Burgess / Baker families, how can people contribute to the reward money to increase the amount? who do we call? is there a name of someone we should speak with?
Comment by money man — February 17, 2008 @ 9:32 am
hi fred, maybe you meant pin-the-tail on the jack-_ _ _ ?
Comment by jimmy baker — February 17, 2008 @ 9:33 am
Merlin: If you are talking about the “sign” that was mentioned in post #133, the sign has been there for many years. I love the way the sign was smoothly shown in the old court house shot last night. Good Job.
Comment by Sheba — February 17, 2008 @ 9:36 am
I hope this scumbag is arrested ASAP. If it is who I think it is I would put nothing past him & have never liked him at all.
Everyone who is actively working on this so very hard please be careful as this case is brought to justice. I wouldn’t put anything past this person that he would do or have done to protect himself. He has always been a bad person!
He has swindled a lot of people out of their money too, such as estates left to children for them to receive when they are old enough. By the time they are old enough to receive the money he would have eaten it up with all kinds of fees & expenses that he would dream up & the children would get nothing. How anyone could do this I will never understand but I know for a fact it is the truth.
This scumbag will surely burn in hell. I never used words like this but I really believe this enough to be brave enough to write it.
Comment by gracie rags — February 17, 2008 @ 9:46 am
As for increasing the reward, you can send an email to NCEnforcer4u@aol.com with your contact information. We will contact you with what you need. Thank you to anyone who would consider assisting us in this manner.
Comment by Melissa Baker — February 17, 2008 @ 9:55 am
144. The evidence disappeared and they are blaming it on the cleaning person? So, give the cleaning person a lie detector test and get some answers….Should be interesting!
Comment by Barbara — February 17, 2008 @ 10:39 am
I am trying to be objective. I am a veteran law enforcement officer. (I have no first-hand knowledge about this particular murder case and have not worked in Henderson – Vance, but do know the community).
In 1977, there was no CSI television show, no Court TV, no Forensic Files show, no NC Wanted, etc. More importantly, it would be decades before DNA evidence would even be truly realized in forensic investigations.
Evidence may be “missing”, simply because deputies and SBI Agents in the 1970s & 1980s thought that they had collected and documented EVERY possible shred of physical evidence and analyzed it all to the limits of the technology of the day as it then existed. Accepted practice of the day was to complete and document all known evidence, then it could be discarded. (For example: I wonder what happened to the automobile that Ms. Burgess was operating? Is it still available for analysis?)
Unfortunately, discarded items of evidence may now be deemed “missing” which will only prompt more speculation about conspiracy theories. We know NOW that evidence in a murder should be kept perpetually, but that was not known in 1977, and if the Sheriff’s Department / Evidence Storage had been relocated over the past 30 or so years, there is always the likelihood of misplacing evidence and/or paperwork. Surely, the person(s) responsible for evidence custody have changed many times over the past three decades, which further provides a chance for evidence to be misplaced. Today, all accredited law enforcement agencies are required to document a complete inventory of evidence whenever the evidence custodian changes, although very few Sheriff’s Departments are accredited.
Law enforcement is different today than in 1997, just like medicine, communications, computers, etc. have changed. Surely, as this case has been recently reviewed, the authorities have re-checked any available physical evidence for DNA, blood, etc.
This case can be solved, most likely by someone coming forward to claim the reward or to clear their conscious before going to meet their Maker. This publicity can only help, although it is difficult for the victim’s family. Renewed discussion of the case may lead to that one bit of information being discovered that links everything together. Hopefully, a break in the case will develop and the family and community can have some measure of closure.
Comment by Comments from a Cop — February 17, 2008 @ 11:16 am
I do not remember when this happened (was younger) living in a nearby town, nor do I know any of the parties, but I do wish the family peace, whatever the outcome. Once you try your best, you can be satisfied with your effort. Try to be content to pass along your mother’s good qualities to your own children.
I can’t imagine what kind of Christmas you had that year, getting to know your father better in prison, going through the hope and despair about the Williams’ trial, or any of that. I agree that 30 years can seem like yesterday sometimes. I lost a loved one 22 years ago but sometimes the grief hits me fresh, but thankfully it doesn’t last as long. But also I have an answer for why it happened.
I was tied up, missed this week’s posting and missed the televised show, but will make every effort to see on the 23rd. Best of luck to you.
Comment by skipper — February 17, 2008 @ 11:28 am
Thank you and we are sorry for your loss. You will be able to watch the entire show on the NC Wanted website. They will probably have it up tommorow at ncwanted.com. I also think there is a repeat episode tonight at 10:30.
Melissa
Comment by Melissa Baker — February 17, 2008 @ 11:44 am
Melissa & Michael, your mother was a very sweet girl & very pretty as well. We went to school together. She was always smiling, that’s the way I remember her best. With all the best wishes in this world that this will soon come to an end and the truth be told and the one responsible punished. Your families have suffered so long. My sympathy to you all and may God continue to Bless you each day. Again Alice was a very sweet girl; she would be so very proud of you both for what you are doing.
Comment by .....just curious — February 17, 2008 @ 11:48 am
#’s 126 – 128 … no need to even think that next week’s show will not be aired – - show producer says ‘no chance’ of that … so, you can let mr. all-powerful know that many people are not intimidated in the least by who he ‘thinks’ he is – - i being one among them. be sure to tune in to see how things shake down for the suspects they highlight. i assure you, it’s gonna be good.
Comment by jimmy baker — February 17, 2008 @ 12:21 pm
I hope you are right.
It just seems powerful people tend to get what they want. This is a small area, need I say more.
Comment by no name — February 17, 2008 @ 1:26 pm
no name … nope. nothing more needs to be said. this is well beyond the ‘small area’ of Henderson, NC, and Vance County. things are truly moving in a positive direction, at last.
Comment by jimmy baker — February 17, 2008 @ 2:00 pm
Melissa & Michael, I can remember the day they found your mother like it was yesterday. I remember how your father struggled to find the words to tell you that your mother was never coming back to you. I hope an answer will come out of this & give you peace. Your mother loved you all & would be so proud that her children are fighting for her. Keep your head up & know that all of your family is behind you.
Comment by donna — February 17, 2008 @ 3:35 pm
If everyone posting on here knows who did it, then why doesn’t the law enforcement know. I have always known it was BR and I was only 12 when it happened. I bet he is squirming in his seat now. Also, ghostman (post #90) or BR, or whoever you are, if you are admitting you did it, can they turn this evidence over to the police. Surely the editors know the IP address of that post. I did see the sign that they showed, and thought that it was very weird (or maybe not so weird) that they showed it for that length of time. Everyone knows, so why is he not arrested? I was also told, but not sure if it was fiction or not, they here grave was repeatedly run over by a car after she was buried. Does anyone else know if that was try? If so, did they make tire imprints? So many questions, who has the answers?
Comment by How could they not know — February 17, 2008 @ 4:19 pm
where’s merlin??? no comments since about one hour prior to the airing of NC’s Wanted last night.
Comment by jimmy baker — February 17, 2008 @ 4:44 pm
Hi Jimmy: Oh yes, he’s been on this morning. Check post #140. Nothing since then though. Have a very nice evening, we are going out to dinner with friends.
Comment by Sheba — February 17, 2008 @ 5:06 pm
According to the Time Warner channel guide, the show will air on 256 Tuesday at 9pm.
Comment by heelshouse — February 17, 2008 @ 6:34 pm
A statement made by Mr. Williams (who was tried and found innocent) stated that he was in jail at the time of the murder. It would be helpful if the media would report on this fact…Such a waste of a loving Mother’s life..Surely with DNA testing available now, many questions could be answered…
Comment by AKA Jon Doe — February 17, 2008 @ 8:11 pm
At the time didnt BR live within walking distance of the murder scene?
Comment by reality — February 18, 2008 @ 7:39 am
For sure as was the regular “party cabin”.
Comment by Sheba — February 18, 2008 @ 7:53 am
Jon Doe, a technical CORRECTION: Mr. Williams was tried and found “Not Guilty” due to lack of evidence. He was NOT found or proven to be “Innocent”. (There is a difference)
Comment by Perry Mason — February 18, 2008 @ 9:06 am
I was working in the front office of Americal when the “rumor” came out that BR was labeled a prime suspect. One of our braver office workers called the police station and was told that it was not true.
However, there was not a person there who was a bit
surprised.
It was also a well known fact the Mr. BR cussed, screamed, yelled, and pulled venetian blinds down in his
office if his secretary dared to do something he did not like. Another “rumor” was that Alice threatned to tell his wife about the affair. I am sure that would have set him off enough to kill.
Comment by Dolly — February 18, 2008 @ 3:13 pm
#’s 161 / 162 … now you’re seeing the picture! :) … refer to post #88 above & response to Perry Mason below.
# 163 Perry Mason … absolutely! sounds as if you’re even catching on a bit. if the evidence isn’t conclusive ‘beyond the shadow of a doubt,’ then the person who entered the courtroom being ‘presumed innocent’ also leaves the courtroom that way – - presumed innocent (= not guilty) of the alleged crime. come on, now. put your thinking cap on!
again, let’s consider the facts as they are known …
1) Alice & ‘the murderer’ engaged in ‘intimate relations’ that night 2) autopsy report concludes no rape 3) acts engaged in were consensual 4) family & non-family members agree she “would have fought like hell” to fight off anyone she did not know 5) she had no ‘defensive wounds’ or signs of struggle 6) she was dressed when she was murdered (rapist would not have been so decent as to have allowed this) 7) Alice & BR were involved in a relationship at the time (family & non-family members confirm this) 8) ‘the cabin’ was short distance away 9) there was a party at ‘the cabin’ that night 10) BR’s ‘residence’ was also a short distance away (both the cabin & residence w/in walking distance from the crime scene) 11) BR known to have a ‘history’ of violent behavior towards a ‘particular female subject’ at that time – - violent to the point of her needing treatment at the hospital 12) … how much more to you want???
let’s just hope & pray that any/all remaining evidence (tips/testimony – - DNA) can & will produce the desired results to conclusively render a guilty verdict to Alice’s murderer. also, pray alongside me and my wife these following verses from Romans & John …
Romans 13: 1-5
Submission to the Authorities
1 Everyone must submit himself to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, he who rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and he will commend you. 4 For he is God’s servant to do you good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword for nothing. He is God’s servant, an agent of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also because of conscience.
John 8:32
“Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free.”
Comment by jimmy baker — February 18, 2008 @ 5:19 pm
I was going to look up that verse in the Bible, but after reading the interpetation of John 8:32, I decided that there is no need in trying to make someone believe what they don’t believe. My King James Version does not say the truth will set you free. Wife and affair in the same sentence, hm the plot thickens.
Comment by ridingthesun — February 19, 2008 @ 12:24 am
Just curious, Jimmy Baker, what is your interest in this, other than justice? Are you a family member, enemy of BR, or what? Is Jimmy Baker a pseudonym or real name? You seem to be even more interested in this than the son. Again, just trying to figure out the players in this, as I know none of you. Guess I’m just nosy.
Comment by skipper — February 19, 2008 @ 12:38 am
My heart goes out to the family. Maybe somebody did get away with murder. But maybe he didn’t. Trial by gossip is really unappealing.
Jimmy Baker, do you really believe what you posted? Were you a good German?
Comment by Infidel — February 19, 2008 @ 1:52 am
Town Talk on WIZS (1450am) should be interesting today at 11am. They didn’t have it yesterday because of President’s Day. Maybe everyone should tune in. In case you don’t know what Town Talk is, it’s a program they have on the local Henderson radio station where anyone can call in and talk about anything. Perhaps the show on Alice from Saturday night will be talked about today, maybe some clues will be heard, heck maybe even the killer will call.
Comment by Sheba — February 19, 2008 @ 6:26 am
#164 ridingthesun … I was going to look up that verse in the Bible, but after reading the interpetation of John 8:32, I decided that there is no need in trying to make someone believe what they don’t believe. My King James Version does not say the truth will set you free. ***** … no, it states “and the truth will make you free.” – - all-in-all the same message. Wife and affair in the same sentence, hm the plot thickens. ***** … who mentioned ‘wife’? i’ve not crossed that posting.
#165 skipper … Just curious, Jimmy Baker, what is your interest in this, other than justice? ***** none whatsoever. Are you a family member ***** yes, husband of the daughter & father of 5 children who are without someone who would have been a wonderful grandmother, enemy of BR ***** no. don’t know the man other than what i’ve heard about him from others thru the years – - none of which has ever been positive or good, … or what? Is Jimmy Baker a pseudonym or real name? ***** real name … i have no need to hide behind the shadows. perhaps everyone should be so bold in their beliefs to allow themselves to be known. … You seem to be even more interested in this than the son. ***** i understand your opinion … not more interested, perhaps maybe more engaged in this forum. he is the driving catalyst behind most everything that has transpired over the past 2-3 years to bring things to where they are today. his efforts, persistence, and diligent efforts to seek justice on behalf of his mother and to gain a sense of peace for him and his sister (and other family members) have been most impressive. i admire his courage and pray that his and their greatest hopes will be realized in having this crime solved soon. … Again, just trying to figure out the players in this, as I know none of you. ***** now you know at least one. Guess I’m just nosy.
#166 Infidel … My heart goes out to the family. Maybe somebody did get away with murder. But maybe he didn’t. Trial by gossip is really unappealing. ***** even more unappealing is someone who may ‘potentially’ be guilty having never been so much as sufficiently questioned. in fact, this really stinks. perhaps with the cooperation of ‘all suspects’ at the time of the murder all this would not even be taking place right now. in the end, i desire to see what all the family desires to see – - justice served by an arrest and a conviction of the person(s) responsible for this brutal murder and ‘potential’ cover-up … nothing less — nothing more.
… Jimmy Baker, do you really believe what you posted? ***** to a large extent, yes. it all seems highly probable to me. yet, like you, i look forward to the day when these theories are examined in a court of law – - preferably somewhere out of the Vance County / Henderson area. Were you a good German? ***** no. actually, i’m just a true-blooded American man who loves his wife, loves his kids, loves his God, leans on his faith, stands firmly for & with family in all circumstances, especially in times of trials & tribulation.
i, like anyone who truly desires to see justice served, simply want Alice’s murderer to be convicted and rightly sentenced for savagely taking her life, and in doing so effectively transferring deep pain, emotional wounds, and scars to the lives of her children.
Comment by jimmy baker — February 19, 2008 @ 9:05 am
I certainly hope the killer has visited this blog,and I am sure he has.The picture of Alice,such a pretty woman ,should haunt him.I spoke to a law enfrcement officer one time and he said that most people have a conscience.If that is the case,I am sure the killer has heard every sound of the beating,the dragging of her body,the air escaping her lungs,the sound of her head hitting the tire as she was thrown into the trunk.I know for the rest of your life you will hear those sounds and the new sound you will be hearing soon,THE SLAMMING OF THE CELL DOOR!
Comment by Joyce Pendergrass Atchison — February 19, 2008 @ 10:25 am
Sheba, Wrong–someone was on plugging an album.
Comment by north star — February 19, 2008 @ 8:34 pm
Any updates from Henderson concerning the viewing? Was our favorite attorney discussed on Town Talk? We appreciate all the support.
Comment by Dana Burgess — February 19, 2008 @ 8:40 pm
“Town Talk” is clueless. So sad!
Comment by Paul Ron — February 19, 2008 @ 9:01 pm
Can anyone engage Town Talk in a conversation?
Comment by Dana Burgess — February 19, 2008 @ 9:04 pm
I’d like to play devil’s advocate for a moment. Perhaps the person swinging a heavy object could be either male or female, depending on their rage….. I do not know the people involved personally therefore I can not speculate anything. My mind tends to think as to “what if” happened. What “if” the person last seen with the woman had gone for help and another had been waiting in the dark? What if another person (even more ruthless) had a personal vendetta? I have only heard rumors of the personality traits of a certain individual. Last I heard, being ruthless, intelligent and arrogant is not a crime. If it were, the jails could not hold all of those guilty of those traits who live in this county. Need I say more?
Comment by Another Angle — February 19, 2008 @ 10:03 pm
Yes Dana, anyone can call in at 11:00am and keep trying if the line is busy, it goes off at 12:00. The number is 252-492-5594. People will call in with answers or with comments. It could prove to be very interesting. I’m off to bed, y’all have a good night.
Comment by Sheba — February 19, 2008 @ 10:24 pm
Town Talk has 20 listeners and about 5 callers (after “Bobby” calls 1st and talks about his breakfast and drinking buttermilk). It is an unfortunate waste of time for intellectuals, although hometown gossip mongers will find the occasional “pearl” of wisdom!
Comment by Chatty Cathy — February 19, 2008 @ 10:39 pm
http://www.wizs.com/town-talk/
Comment by Town's Talkin' — February 19, 2008 @ 10:50 pm
That’s Henderson’s famous Bobby Murray…the fastest man to ever run Veteran’s Field. I think he even owns a Chevy dealership in Raleigh.
Comment by Town's Talkin' — February 19, 2008 @ 10:54 pm
Thanks, Jimmy, for explaining to me and for your support of your family. It’s almost as good as Cold Case until you think about it being real. Has the case actually been reopened? Is there any time table for how long the investigation can continue? Somewhere I read it was “now or never”. Is there a statute of limitations?
Comment by skipper — February 20, 2008 @ 12:32 am
Good play from Another Angle. Town’s Talkin’, is Bobby Murray still alive? He was actually a nice guy.
Comment by Michael — February 20, 2008 @ 5:33 am
#180, Yes, Michael, Bobby Murray is still alive and is still a nice guy, just a lot older, slower, but he calls the radio station everyday to say hello.
#176, what you say may very well be true about the 20 listeners and 5 callers, but it will only take 1 listener that “knows something” or “remembers that night”. The money reward of $25,000 should get someone “thinking” or trying to remember. Perhaps someone saw the murderer walking that night, he would have had mud all over him, blood too probably. He was most likely walking towards the cabin to return to his car or walking towards home.
I believe there are a lot more listeners than you think, no way for you to know or for me to know. People listen maybe for lack of anything better to do. I know the old people listen, they have been doing it for many many years. I saw give it a shot, do the Town Talk thing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Sheba — February 20, 2008 @ 6:37 am
#179, there are no time limitations on felonies. The suspect’s best way out of this mess is hope nature takes its course before they are charged.
Comment by George — February 20, 2008 @ 6:51 am
Nature’s course, being death. Imagine having to meet the Maker and answer to the young woman standing there.
Comment by Radical American — February 20, 2008 @ 7:27 am
What do you mean, George…”nature takes its course?” Do you mean their only way out at this point is to die of natural causes? I for one hope they are brought to trial, tried and convicted. Death for him would be the easy way out. Death for her robbed her children of a lifetime.
Comment by Interesting — February 20, 2008 @ 7:33 am
In response to #168, go back and read post #162. I didn’t put it there, but it is there. If this person that is being accused was in fact a married man which some seems to know that he was/is then how was the fact that this woman who was so perfect not know. It takes two to tangle. Lets look at this on a realistic stand point, some of you are talking about 30 years ago. People seeing a man/woman walking with mud on them. Then you focus on Town Talk and say that “mostly old people listen to the show. What age is old and how competent are they to remember that far back? I am not old but I have a hard time remember 2 years ago especially in certain instances.
Comment by ridingthesun — February 20, 2008 @ 8:59 am
Ridingthesun, you seem to say that it was HER fault that she was murdered. Hope that is not what you are saying.
Comment by Interesting — February 20, 2008 @ 9:33 am
ridingthesun…i am a little tired of your comments…say your real name and maybe we can meet for coffee during my next visit to henderson.
Comment by michael — February 20, 2008 @ 10:30 am
#183 – ridingthesun … thanks for pointing out the ‘wife’ post; i had missed that one – - thought you were implying that i had mentioned the wife, which i have not. as for Alice being “so perfect,” i’ve not come across any postings that imply this – - only that she was a good & loving mother who simply loved and wanted to be loved. if she was involved w/ a married man, i believe that in her heart she likely knew she was in a questionable relationship. and, as you say, it takes two to tango … so, they both were doing wrong in the relationship if indeed the man was married while they were involved. as for “walking with mud on them,” … most likely, it would have been more than mud; there most likely would also have been lots of ‘blood’ on the person due to the brutality of the beating.
Comment by jimmy baker — February 20, 2008 @ 1:23 pm
So far, there have been several theories that could be used as a defense; were there ever to be an arrest in this case.
Comment by north star — February 20, 2008 @ 1:48 pm
No one ever said Alice was perfect,as I am sure you are not.Perfection doesn’t matter.What does matter is, Alice Burgess was brutally beated to death and her three children were left without a mother for the rest of their lives.The youngest child died in my arms at the age of 16.Mike and Melissa have carried both of those tragedies in their heart and minds for years.We need to find the killer and bring him to justice.I am sure Amanda is in the arms of GOD now,so lets find her Mothers killer!
Comment by Joyce Pendergrass Atchison — February 20, 2008 @ 4:16 pm
ridingthesun — You’re the second person I’ve heard making the assumption that the victim was portrayed as ‘perfect.’ Why would you say that? Nowhere has anyone stated that. She was a human being and that’s really all I need to know about her to know that it was wrong for the anyone to kill her. If she was having an affair with ‘we all know who’ then of course she knew he was married. She did not deserve to be killed. And the only problem I had with the dramatization of the whole murder mystery is the fact that they made it seem that she left her three children (all of whom I went to school with) home alone while she went out to a bar. According to the recent newspaper article, she had left them with a babysitter. I wish they had been more clear on that.
Comment by too many unsolved — February 20, 2008 @ 4:42 pm
#191 Thank you! She did not deserve to be killed.It’s a good thing that everyone that has an affair,isn’t killed.Flower’s Funeral Home couldn’t handle it.Let’s just catch the killer!
Comment by Joyce Pendergrass Atchison — February 20, 2008 @ 5:35 pm
To Melissa or Michael,
My father says he has information that you may like to know concerning your mother & this case.He would like to talk with you personally or come to town to speak with you.How can he get in touch with you?
Comment by Ann — February 20, 2008 @ 7:00 pm
Ann – Jason at homeinhenderson@nc.rr.com has my contact information.
Please contact us, we appreciate any help we can get.
Comment by Michael — February 20, 2008 @ 7:19 pm
Michael or who ever you are as I said in earlier post if any of you could read, I did not know this woman. Lets set the record straight on that one. As for using my name, there are not many on this blog that does, thats not the issue at hand. You are hurt and with a reason to be and I sympathize with you. Although you are tired of my postings I am sorry about that, my comments are not meant to get you upset or hurt you, that is not my intentions. I didn’t bring out the fact that she was involved with a “married man”, I merely pointed out what someone else had posted. There is, of course a chance of something happening when people date or are involved with married people. As for Interesting, don’t try to assume I meant something I didn’t although I can understand how you would come to that assumption. I don’t think that any individual (this I believe deep within my heart) should be killed. Whether they commit a murder or not. What I do know is that no man or woman should get involved with anyone’s spouse. One thing for certain is this, the ones that remember this tragedy knows that a woman got killed and someone or something killed her. Nobody actually knows who did it or the case would have been solved before this point. The dead can’t talk and the living is not confessing. There were at least two people there, a woman who is unfortunately dead and the person if in actuality it was a person that killed her, but what we do know is that something happened. I hope that if it was a person that that person is found, but if not I say again, I hope the family can accept the things that can be changed and be able to live with the things that can not be.
Comment by ridingthesun — February 20, 2008 @ 7:22 pm
You can send me an email to NCEnforcer4u@aol.com with your contact information and I will call you.
Thanks,
Melissa
Comment by Melissa Baker — February 20, 2008 @ 7:23 pm
#182 – this may in fact happen, but i personally would prefer for him to be arrested, tried, convicted, and sentenced to life (or death — if possible). i frankly can’t wait to see him in court.
#183 – while seeing Alice would no doubt be an ‘awakening’ for this murderer, it will be Christ to whom he will have to answer for this (and all other of his life’s) deed(s).
#184 – AMEN!!! at least someone here gets the whole picture!
Comment by Jimmy Baker — February 20, 2008 @ 7:46 pm
#193 – Ann – there is also a place at WRAL that you can go with information – anonymous. The link is in the initial information on this thread. Hopefully, somebody has information and the guilty party will be brought to justice – soon.
Comment by Interesting — February 20, 2008 @ 7:48 pm
Email has already been sent to Michael with my dads info for you.Hope it helps…
Comment by Ann — February 20, 2008 @ 9:07 pm
I couldn’t resist being the 200th post. And I would still like to know whether the case has been officially reopened or are ya’ll fishing for information with which to convince them TO reopen the case?
Comment by skipper — February 20, 2008 @ 10:46 pm
#200 – skipper … Yes, the case is ‘open’ – - in fact, it has never been ‘officially closed.’ it is actively being worked by the SBI & a new investigator w/ the Vance County Sheriff’s department.
Comment by jimmy baker — February 21, 2008 @ 7:00 am
Good Morning All: Let’s all hope, pray, cross fingers, whatever it takes, that the info Ann’s Dad (post #193) has for the family will help solve the case.
Comment by Sheba — February 21, 2008 @ 7:38 am
Sheba, you are right. Also, if anybody else has anything else – no matter how insignificant it may seem – please send it along to the proper person. There are several links on here that you can use. Hopefully, somebody will be charged with this murder soon. Don’t you just know a certain somebody is squirming right about now.
Comment by Interesting — February 21, 2008 @ 7:40 am
OJ & BR are the same, if you got money you can get away with murder. The only difference is BR had help from the old sheriff dept., the D.A., and others in this community. O.J. had help from a investigator planting evidence on him.
Comment by THE REAL DEAL — February 21, 2008 @ 8:10 am
Small town cover-up. Hope it gets uncovered soon.
Comment by Interesting — February 21, 2008 @ 8:18 am
the SBI is in the process of printing & distributing a flyer announcing the $25,000.00 Reward for info which leads to the arrest & conviction of the person(s) involved in this murder. any call can be ‘anonymous’ and ‘all info will be confidential’ to protect the innocent. you may relay ‘tips’, ‘info’, ‘leads’, etc. per the following – - e-mail
homeinhenderson@nc.rr.com or NCEnforcer4u@aol.com. or call the SBI @ 1-800-334-3000. thanks to anyone and everyone who attempts to help bring justice to the murderer in this case.
Comment by jimmy baker — February 21, 2008 @ 2:42 pm
I’ve known the family of Alice Burgess for 38 years and
my mother grew up in North Henderson with Alice and
to this day it still bothers my mother that this sinceless
act of crime has not been solved. From day one there
has been that one particular person (that well known
businessman) rumored to have been involved in this death. From my understanding he recently suffered
a stoke, but is still in business.
I often wondered when and if this case was going to
be investigated again and now it has. Thanks!
For the family, my friends and family our thoughts and prayers are with you.
Comment by bennett — February 21, 2008 @ 4:38 pm
It looks like this blog page is dead. I want to thank all who participated. It means a lot.
Comment by michael — February 21, 2008 @ 5:02 pm
I’m not sure it’s all wrapped up yet. We haven’t had an article go over 200 comments in a long time.
Comment by Jason Feingold, Ed. — February 21, 2008 @ 5:04 pm
where’s Merlin??? since the airing of the 1st NC’s Wanted, he’s become so silent!?! perhaps the gravity of all this is sinking in at last.
1 John 2: 7-8
7 Dear friends, I am not writing you a new command but an old one, which you have had since the beginning. This old command is the message you have heard. 8 Yet I am writing you a new command; its truth is seen in him and you, because the darkness is passing and the true light is already shining.
Comment by jimmy baker — February 21, 2008 @ 8:04 pm
BR – - if you’ve not already, i believe you should begin to ‘immediately & seriously’ seek to make peace with your bad deeds. the light of justice, which began as only a flicker of hope — now is beginning to beam like the rays of the sun!
Comment by jimmy baker — February 21, 2008 @ 8:10 pm
Isn’t there a second part to be televised on Saturday night the 23rd?
Comment by north star — February 21, 2008 @ 9:02 pm
To the killer,Do the right thing,Turn yourself in to the sheriff and give up this load you have carried around for 30 years.Are you hearing the cell door slamming?
Comment by Joyce Pendergrass Atchison — February 21, 2008 @ 9:05 pm
#212 yes there is a second part that will be televised Saturday night.Please be sure to watch.
Comment by Joyce Pendergrass Atchison — February 21, 2008 @ 9:19 pm
I can tell you people are talking this week. Their minds are traveling back to that week in 1977 and that awful day when it was announced that Alice and her car had been found. It is still fresh in a lot of people’s minds. Many have wondered all these years would the killer ever be found and punished.
BR had a friend back then, a tombstone buddy named Sam. I’m told Sam started drinking really bad during that time then one day he was found floating in the lake after a day of drinking and fun with friends on his boat. Then there was no more Sam. Does anyone else remember this incident?
Like I said people are remembering and coming forward with their thoughts and memories. It shouldn’t be long now, the right person with the right information.
Comment by Sheba — February 21, 2008 @ 11:21 pm
Who is the attorney? If you can’t say his name, what are his initials?
Comment by Old Coot — February 22, 2008 @ 12:39 am
Old Coot, go back through the postings with a keed eye for BR. That should answer your questions. You may also wish to watch the first airing of NC’s Wanted (2/16) on your computer and pay careful attention to a sign about midway through the show.
Comment by Sammy — February 22, 2008 @ 4:52 am
i’ve been keeping up with this site over the past week or so, but have not yet commented. the killer, whomever it may be, should take heed to and know the following verse.
Hebrews 10: 31
31 It is a dreadful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
i continue to pray for peace for the family, for justice in this crime, and for healing within our community.
Comment by the Rev — February 22, 2008 @ 5:16 am
$25,000.00 Reward … for info which leads to the arrest & conviction of the person(s) involved in this murder.
any call can be ‘anonyous’ and ‘all info will be confidential’ to protect the innocent. you may relay ‘tips’, ‘info’, ‘leads’, etc. per the following – -
… call the SBI @ 1-800-334-3000
homeinhenderson@nc.rr.com or NCEnforcer4u@aol.com
thanks to anyone and everyone who attempts to help bring justice to the murderer in this case.
Comment by jimmy baker — February 22, 2008 @ 5:22 am
http://www.ncwanted.com
You can watch the entire program on this sight. Just click on the video up on the right side of the page.
This CLEARLY shows the sign that is spoken on on this thread.
My heart goes out to this family. I hope the killer is reading and will watch this video, if he hasn’t already.
Comment by Interesting — February 22, 2008 @ 5:55 am
Sorry, didn’t mean to post 2 times. I thought it didn’t go through the first time.
Comment by Interesting — February 22, 2008 @ 6:11 am
If you missed last week’s viewing and wish to see it prior to Part II this Saturday, go to http://www.NCWanted.com. You can view the show from there. Thank you all for your continued support.
Comment by Dana Burgess — February 22, 2008 @ 7:23 am
OR, you can also give anonymous tips on the website that I put on here:
http://www.ncwanted.com
Comment by Interesting — February 22, 2008 @ 7:23 am
It has been a long week for many. All the parties involved with this case probably deserve a well earned paid for vacation somewhere. Maybe even our own beautiful Kerr Lake. Fishing can be good for the soul. I hope all the families can restore themselves to something of normalcy, answers to questions, hearts to be healed, planting new seeds for the future generations to come. May you be rewarded with abundant and beautiful blooms as you watch the next generations grow.
Comment by Shadow Dancer — February 22, 2008 @ 7:26 am
Shadow, that was a beautiful post. I’m sure it will be appreciated.
Having said that, I truly believe that the family will be able to heal only if this murderer is brought to justice. This will allow their hearts to finally heal – then and only then. Hopefully, this will happen soon.
Comment by Interesting — February 22, 2008 @ 7:31 am
shadow dancer — most, if not all, of the people who know my wife and Michael (and even sketchy facts of their pasts) are completely amazed at how they have moved on with their lives. undoubtedly, one of the premiere qualities of beauty i noticed in Melissa from the early stages of our relationship was the strength and fortitude of character that had been forged into her being. moreover, her lively and jubilant personality were captivating aspects of her character, especially in light of the many trials she had faced in her life. we have a wonderful marriage relationship and have four beautiful children, plus one on the way. Melissa and Michael are very productive members of society … something that many people who have endured the trials they’ve faced unfortunately can not claim. it is indeed a joy to experience life with Melissa, as we enjoy our children and strive to lay secure, scriptural foundations in their lives. indeed, it will be the legacy of our lives the fruit that their lives are destined to bring forth.
with regards to Michael, even beyond the pain and emotional wounds that were inflicted upon him by the loss of their mother, he endured many more things which stem from the loss of their mother. still in the face of everything he’s faced, he’s managed to keep his sanity, learn to love, has a great wife and three beautiful daughters.
God, in His providence, has managed to care for Melissa and Michael in ways neither of them have (and may never) fully grasp. it remains my hope and prayer that another giant leap in their healing will take place by this crime being solved by the killer being arrested and convicted.
i truly love them both and stand firmly by their side in whatever capacity is necessary as they walk this path they’re on to pursue justice for their mother and healing for their lives.
Comment by jimmy baker — February 22, 2008 @ 7:53 am
Alice was my Mom’s cousin. I was young, but I remember the impact it had on my mothers family. It was so senseless. I have a very distinct memory of one of the boys in my class whose father was a member of the HPD. He came up to me, put his hand on my shoulder and said “it’s okay, my daddy will find who did this” sadly this never happened. I have watched from a distance all the trials Michael and Melissa have gone through, with their Mom & Dad and Amanda. I hope they can finally have resolution.
To Merlin who basically said the so called kids should just get over it we all have out own baggage. Okay, that’s your opinion and you have a right to it, but unless you have had member of your family murdered mabe you should keep your opinons to yourself. This wasn’t even my mother, but I can tell you it had an impact on me and my day to day life. I have always been hypervigalint about my personal safety and it is directly related to this because I knew from a young age that an innocent person just going about their day to day life can have it taken away in one senseless act. If it had that kind of impact on me I cannot even begin to imagine the impact on her children. They had their innocence about the world taken away at too young an age.
Comment by Chia — February 22, 2008 @ 10:14 am
“….I have only heard rumors of the personality traits of a certain individual. Last I heard, being ruthless, intelligent and arrogant is not a crime. Another Angle”
No, but it’s a requirement to be an attorney in H’town.
Comment by Chia — February 22, 2008 @ 10:37 am
I have some questions: #1 Where there other fresh tire tracks there other than Alice’s car? #2 Were there foot prints denoting a 3rd party at the scene?
Comment by Old Coot — February 22, 2008 @ 10:38 am
“To the killer,Do the right thing,Turn yourself in to the sheriff and give up this load you have carried around for 30 years.Are you hearing the cell door slamming?
Comment by Joyce Pendergrass Atchison”
Considering who I think BR is I can assure you he has not be carrying around a load for the past 30 years. In fact he probably has not given it much thought and it does not seem to have tempered his actions any.
Comment by Chia — February 22, 2008 @ 10:55 am
Could it be possible that BR’s wife caught them and she did it????
Comment by Speedy — February 22, 2008 @ 10:56 am
An little amendment to my post #227. I said ‘considering who I think BR is”. I had a bit of a pre-senior moment and could not for the life of me remember attorney R’s first name. If finally came to me and I can now say….Knowing who BR is…..
I have been away from H’town too long and I sometime have trouble remembering all the key players, but it’s all coming back to me now and hopefully this blog and the show will do the same for others. If there is a way to get the reward up to 50K I don’t know of many in Henderson who would not give up what they know for that amount even if they were prominent it would just be too much to pass up. JMHO
Comment by Chia — February 22, 2008 @ 11:07 am
$$$ curious, any more contributions to the reward money yet? can people interested in contributing toward increasing the reward money notify the same sources listed above? someone who knows please post an answer. thank you.
Comment by money man — February 22, 2008 @ 4:26 pm
There have been no more contributions, but you can send an email to NCEnforcer4u@aol.com.
Thanks,
Melissa Baker
Comment by melissa baker — February 22, 2008 @ 4:56 pm
This Sam you are talking about was found in the lake floating in shallow water in August of 1979. What’s next?
Comment by I Care A Lot About Henderson — February 22, 2008 @ 5:20 pm
$25,000.00 Reward … for info which leads to the arrest & conviction of the person(s) involved in this murder.
any call can be ‘anonyous’ and ‘all info will be confidential’ to protect the innocent. you may relay ‘tips’, ‘info’, ‘leads’, etc. per the following – -
… call the SBI @ 1-800-334-3000 … or …
e-mail – - ncwanted@ncwanted.com … or …
NCEnforcer4u@aol.com … or …
homeinhenderson@nc.rr.com
thanks to anyone and everyone who attempts to help bring justice to the murderer in this case.
Comment by jimmy baker — February 22, 2008 @ 6:01 pm
There are plenty of people in Henderson who could afford to raise the reward–come on !
Comment by north star — February 22, 2008 @ 6:41 pm
To Post #235, so what exactly are you trying to say when you say that “Sam was found floating in shallow water in August 1979″?
Are you saying that the guilt he may have had/felt didn’t make him drink more than he already did and end up drown almost 2 years later? Maybe he was talking too much. Maybe he threatened to tell on someone, maybe he just couldn’t take it anymore. Does anyone really know? I know I don’t, but it was worth mentioning.
In answer to your question “What’s next”? Let’s all hope it’s an arrest, conviction, and prison for the killer.
Comment by Sheba — February 22, 2008 @ 6:47 pm
regarding Sam – - i suppose he was the same type friend w/ BR (‘tombstone buddy … take it to the grave type) that Roger W. was!? seems to me as though ‘ole Mr. BR had quite a few of these type buddies … must have needed them. wonder why?
Comment by jimmy baker — February 22, 2008 @ 7:05 pm
oooppss! correction to #239 – - Roger W. should have been Roger F.!!! i have trouble keeping the ‘cast of characters’ straight at times; i meant the Fleming guy. that’s the one that would have been another ‘tombstone buddy’ according to all the discussion about this topic. but, then again, he’s already been commited to the ground. i suppose he managed to uphold his end of the deal.
Comment by jimmy baker — February 22, 2008 @ 9:55 pm
Did you guys miss me? Look, if you really want to help this case, keep it alive. Hold demonstrations on main street, in front of the old courthouse, or other places of interest. Pass out reward flyers. Move on Town Talk. Let the older people in town know. The older people in town are the key. They were around when the murder took place. Someone knows something. Don’t be lazy. This world needs concerned citizens to step forward. Let this case be your start.
Comment by merlin — February 22, 2008 @ 10:06 pm
All of a sudden all this type of information is popping up on HiH. If the people that speculated that this person may have killed this woman now had said something 30 years ago, I wonder if this would have gone on this long. I used the word speculate, because that is what it is speculation. Now this woman went to a night club, left had intercourse and ended up dead. Is it remotely possible that she may have had some type of encounter with a man or men at the club and they may have killed her? Just asking not trying insinuate anything. Were the men from the club she attended questioned? Or did law enforcement feel so certain that they had a case against the person that was accused that they stopped the investigation there? There are more unanswered questions then who killed this woman?
Comment by ridingthesun — February 22, 2008 @ 10:33 pm
I am sorry you guys have been going through something
so unimaginal for 30 years!!
We love you guys and will keep praying for closure and
peace for your family.
The Humphreys
Comment by The Humphreys Family — February 22, 2008 @ 10:39 pm
Sunday morning in front of the old courthouse gather together and pray for things to come to light. Or meet there during your lunch hour every day next week. Remember location, location, location. Prompt your local paper to place a reward flyer in your Sunday paper.
Comment by merlin — February 22, 2008 @ 10:40 pm
I love you all hope you can find the right one to put an end to this, god bless you and i love you all.
Comment by TAMMY LYNN — February 23, 2008 @ 12:35 am
i wonder how Fleming died? what was the cause of death? could it have been a ‘loose tongue’ ready to speak forth the truth? btw, where did ‘the killer’ go on the night of the crime to clean up? one would think that ‘the killer’ would have been covered in mud & blood! did the cabin have a shower? would ‘the killer’s’ spouse simply have allowed him/her to come in their home looking as such to clean up? would they not have been terrified? would they not have had questions? would they not have gone to the police? something doesn’t add up.
Comment by wyatt earp — February 23, 2008 @ 4:38 am
wyatt earp – - really makes you wonder doesn’t it? hopefully, someone has knowledge of some of the much needed yet missing info and will come forward to speak the truth to the authorities soon. don’t forget to tune in tonight at 10:30pm on Fox 50 to watch the 2nd part.
Comment by jimmy baker — February 23, 2008 @ 5:15 am
Isn’t it amazing, the ability money has to refresh 30 year old memories of something that should have been given for free, if it could shed light on the case? People won’t talk for justice, but they sure will if the price is right.!
Comment by truth be told — February 23, 2008 @ 7:07 am
original comments have not posted, so i’ll attempt again. what was the cause of death for R. Flowers? was this another “tombstone buddy” of BR’s? did a loose tongue play a role in his passing?
#239 wasn’t Roger W. involved with Alice at the time of her death? has he been considered, questioned? where was he that fateful night? is he still alive?
Comment by wyatt earp — February 23, 2008 @ 9:00 am
Who is Roger W?
Comment by Interesting — February 23, 2008 @ 9:25 am
Roger W was seeing Alice around the time of the murder. He was eliminated as a suspect.
Comment by Tom — February 23, 2008 @ 9:29 am
Flowers is no one. There were 3 tombstone buddies.
Comment by Tom — February 23, 2008 @ 9:30 am
Is Roger W. living?
Comment by north star — February 23, 2008 @ 9:37 am
Roger W. is dead. He was killed in a motorcycle or three wheeler accident. I don’t recall he ever being a suspect.
Comment by Roscoe P. Coletrain — February 23, 2008 @ 10:01 am
Tom. Ok, I’ll bite the bait. Who were the 3 buddies? Can you name them or describe them?
Comment by bloggerella — February 23, 2008 @ 10:36 am
B, R and J.
Comment by Tom — February 23, 2008 @ 10:38 am
Whose initials? I guess you can talk with people in town to find out. Here comes the Rooster!
Comment by cock-a-doodle-doo — February 23, 2008 @ 10:53 am
merlin – - nice to have you back. my what a shift in opinion you’ve come to since last week. nonetheless, i believe a coordinated effort on behalf of the ‘concerned & interested’ citizens of Henderson would be highly appropriate. just never expected this comment or line of thought to come from you.
someone / anyone in Henderson able/interested in attempting to head this up? it will need to be someone local … may even garner news coverage – - TV, newspaper, radio, etc. certainly seems worthwhile.
Comment by jimmy baker — February 23, 2008 @ 11:19 am
what are tombstone buddies?
Comment by Radical American — February 23, 2008 @ 11:40 am
Reading this site just blows my mind as to the number of people living in this county with nothing to do but put down good and honest people.
The comments made here about possible suspects in this murder case, which are unfounded, are just pure speculations and are hurting innocent individuals.
If you really had some real knowledge of this case which would shed light upon it and bring the murderer(s) to justice by all means call the SBI and share that information, otherwise keep this type crap off this site!! Using this site to express your concerns to the family is great.
I just would like to make several comments regarding two statements made about two individuals mentioned on this site.
1- Sam __ was never involved with Alice in anyway!
I have known S_ all my life and we were very, very good friends. Therefore, I knew a lot about him that only a very few people could have known. He was a very good person who liked everyone. Yes he did drown accidentally on Kerr Lake but it had nothing to do with Alice, you can be assured!
2- If, and I say if, B was involved with Alice, I know his wife would have never gone to the extreme as suggested above!
I knew her long before her marriage to B. She is not the type person to bring down or hurt another person regardless of what someone else may have done to her!!
I hope justice will prevail, and soon, in this case regardless of who may have commented the crime.
Comment by In the know — February 23, 2008 @ 11:43 am
Who is Sam?
Comment by cock-a-doodle-doo — February 23, 2008 @ 12:07 pm
#253 – In the know … name the innocent people you’re referring to. surely they’ll not disagree with their names being on here if they are innocent.
Comment by wyatt earp — February 23, 2008 @ 12:32 pm
# 252 – In the know – since you know BR’s ex wife so well, what are your thought’s about BR as a suspect?
Surprised or not?
Comment by Dooloppy — February 23, 2008 @ 12:39 pm
“J” is new???
Comment by north star — February 23, 2008 @ 1:09 pm
THIS BLOG LINE IS NOW BECOMING COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE. THE GOSSIP AND RUMOR-MONGERING JUST MAKES IT MORE DIFFICULT TO FIND THE TRUTH.
Watch the NCWanted show tonight, and hopefully someone that KNOWS something useful will notify authorities. This blog, however, has at this point offers more hinderance than help in this case, and I’m through with this topic.
Comment by HHS Bulldog — February 23, 2008 @ 1:24 pm
#253 Dooloppy – surprised? not even in the least. not one bit.
Comment by wyatt earp — February 23, 2008 @ 3:27 pm
to: what are tombstone buddies? … friends/confidants that will take ‘secrets’ “to the grave.” many people of of shady character whose lives delve into inappropriate and, at times, immoral &/or criminal behavior need these type ‘friends’ — get my drift???
Comment by jimmy baker — February 23, 2008 @ 5:10 pm
thought by attempting to get this in motion i might have a chance to meet that fred guy, if he’s so bold to show his face at a gathering like this if it occurs.
Comment by merlin — February 23, 2008 @ 5:14 pm
Post #260 (In the Know) I never said “Sam” was involved with Alice in any way. What I said is he might have known too much since he was a tombstone buddy of BR’s at the time. Perhaps he could have been a witness or maybe even BR’s alibi, maybe he gave BR a ride, IF in fact, he did the crime. Some people have a conscience, maybe it got to heavy for him.
As far as Roger W, I believe he was a suspect, he was questioned and released. He was killed in a 4 wheel accident on Dabney Drive in January 1986 after being at a pig pickin all day on Ruin Creek Rd (I think).
Comment by Sheba — February 23, 2008 @ 6:35 pm
Does anyone on this blog know any old-timers in town that have info? I like Merlin’s idea of prayer in front of the old courthouse. Sometimes prayer can be very powerful and enlightening. After viewing the show on Fox 50, I wonder what started the family thinking about this after 30 years. Is it a mid-life crisis? Does the hurt still reside? Is it the not knowing? I don’t know, but maybe this show will help bring some answers. Maybe the right people will come forward. I can only imagine the hope the family must have. What if hope is denied? Do they move forward? Pray.
Comment by cock-a-doodle-doo — February 23, 2008 @ 7:03 pm
have the people of Henderson simply given up on their town? it seems as if they are good at talk, but what about action? that’s what really matters. talk is cheap.
Comment by merlin — February 23, 2008 @ 7:22 pm
Speaking of talk, Merlin, you have really changed your tune on here. Wonder why? I think we all know.
Comment by Interesting — February 23, 2008 @ 7:23 pm
Speculation…guess i must have touched on the truth one of my post disappeared. Everyone else is speculating, whats the difference Mr. Editor. Yet they have used initials, described the person’s job title and my post gets bumped. No where but Henderson. I didn’t say much more than was on NC Wanted and that was posted here. Strange speculations. Anyway.
Comment by ridingthesun — February 23, 2008 @ 7:56 pm
#270 cock-a-doodle-doo … i’m sure Melissa & Michael can answer your question with greater specifics as to why they’re moving on this now, but from my perspective i can say definitively that it is no mid-life crisis that has prompted this. primarily, Michael started compiling detailed notes of everything he knew and had ever heard about the murder 2-3 years ago. with notes of great detail (yet with obvious ‘blanks’ that needed to be filled in), he started making phone calls to the SBI and to the Vance County Sheriff’s office to arrange meetings with the appropriate people. i believe that him having children heightened his memory of being so young when his mom was suddenly stolen away from him. i know that both Michael and Melissa have been deeply affected by this tragic loss in their lives, but i believe it has had a greater detrimental impact and affect on his life. i don’t think there’s a day that goes by that he does not think deeply about it. don’t get me wrong, he’s a very successful man who has a great wife and family. i just believe he reached the point where he new that people pertinent to the crime were approaching ages whereby they’d soon be meeting their Maker. we all know that time can make significant differences in what people are willing to share. i believe they both assessed this as being their last chance to seek justice for their mother and healing for their lives. i hope and pray all their diligent efforts and the pain they’ve had to deal with by dredging up such painful memories will be rewarded. i hope and trust that the killer is found, arrested, convicted and sentenced appropriately.
Comment by jimmy baker — February 23, 2008 @ 8:12 pm
I haven’t deleted any posts.
Comment by Jason Feingold, Ed. — February 23, 2008 @ 8:12 pm
Michael and Melissa – Our thoughts and prayers are with you.
Comment by Poythress Family — February 23, 2008 @ 9:41 pm
Thank you Mr. Editor for your response.
Comment by ridingthesun — February 23, 2008 @ 10:09 pm
just finished watching the airing of the 2nd part of NC’s Wanted. i would imagine that a particular someone should really be squirming about now. i’m hoping he has memory of his contact with ‘the coat.’ if all goes well, this could provide the needed DNA to arrest, prosecute, convict, & sentence this thug. sleep well BR. … oh, and by the way, the coat’s only one piece of what has come up since all this got moving. thanks NC’s Wanted.
Comment by jimmy baker — February 23, 2008 @ 11:08 pm
Now that Part II has aired, what are everyone’s thoughts?
Comment by Dooloppy — February 23, 2008 @ 11:25 pm
You know, Dooloppy, I was just sitting here looking at the screen wondering the same thing myself. I keep hitting the “refresh” button, thinking more comments and/or facts would show up, but NOTHING is here.
I thought the show was very good, both parts. I think we all know who did this horrible thing, but how do we prove it? Just the fact that HE said those words to SOMEONE, should be enough to bring him in for questioning. What’s the holdup?
Comment by Sheba — February 23, 2008 @ 11:30 pm
Another thing, while I’m thinking, If someone was put on this “clean out old file duty” at the Sheriff’s office, that person should be questioned as well. Surely he/she would remember if they threw out the tire jack, darn that was the murder weapon! Was this evidence, indeed, thrown out because it was old or was it gotten rid of on purpose?
Comment by Sheba — February 23, 2008 @ 11:35 pm
Missed the show. What words were said?
Comment by MS — February 24, 2008 @ 12:07 am
To Post #282: The words that HE said to someone very close to him were “I’ll kill you just like I killed Alice Burgess”. Yes, that was told on the show last night.
Comment by Sheba — February 24, 2008 @ 7:48 am
curious, does Henderson have any backbone left? or, now that this is out in the open on the top of everyones mind are we just going to sit idle as a community doing nothing? here’s your chance to take a stand and make a move to reclaim a significant aspect of your community, it’s law and order!
Comment by wyatt earp — February 24, 2008 @ 8:20 am
you know, it’s pretty darn pathetic when the word of a person doing time is given more weight than a law abiding citizen … and that’s exactly what has taken place here. it’s amazing and sickening.
Comment by jimmy baker — February 24, 2008 @ 8:22 am
Hey Wyatt: What should we do? Give us some ideas. I’m with you, where do we start? We gotta get this creep off the street, surely he won’t last much longer, he’s gotta be close to 70 and has already had a stroke.
Comment by Sheba — February 24, 2008 @ 8:38 am
Sheba, you suck ! no name 2
Comment by richard southerland — February 24, 2008 @ 9:49 am
To Richard Southerland: So what is your problem? Speak your mind, everyone else does. Like most people on HiH I use an alias name because this is a small town and everyone knows everyone, pretty much. No need for people to be saying this person said that and that person said this, it can only cause problems. HiH gives us a place to come, just like you, to read what people are saying or thinking and make remarks, comments, or truths in return. If anything has been said that hurts anyone, I’m sure we all apologize for that, hurting the innocent is not intended, but sometimes the innocent do get hurt while trying to find the guilty. Richard I have no idea who you are even by your “real name”, if in fact that is your real name. So why do you seek “Sheba” out to make rude and crude comments to when over 286 blogs have been made on here? Tell us your problem.
Comment by Sheba — February 24, 2008 @ 10:02 am
So they say “that the evidence was from an old 1977 case”…mind you unsolved…so they threw it out. You’ve got to be kidding me. That’s a load of BS. Who in their right mind would throw out evidence to a unsolved murder case. I’m not in law enforcement and I know you don’t do that.
Comment by WHAT? — February 24, 2008 @ 10:41 am
All the Southerlands are kin and even more kin when a Southerland marries a Southerland.
Comment by Kin Folks — February 24, 2008 @ 11:41 am
Surely “evidence” on any case is not thrown out ever. Melissa & Michael, thoughts and prayers are with you.
Comment by .....just curious — February 24, 2008 @ 12:35 pm
To Sheba: OK rude and crude. I respect your opion(s)but do not necessarily agree. As for 290, he she or it can kma.
Comment by richard southerland — February 24, 2008 @ 12:54 pm
opinion(s)
Comment by richard southerland — February 24, 2008 @ 12:57 pm
Why can we not say the last names of Roger, Sam, and the first name of Mr. Flowers? I remember when Roger died and Sam. They may have been buddies or BR, and known Alice, but they are not guilty of anything.
Who is the Flowers person? Is he still alive? and if not where did he work back in the seventies?
Comment by Dolly — February 24, 2008 @ 1:11 pm
Richard Southerland: I am still waiting for you to tell me why you singled “Sheba” out of over 280 posts to talk rude and crude to. See my earlier post #288.
Comment by Sheba — February 24, 2008 @ 1:13 pm
I don’t know who this Flowers person is, maybe someone is mistaken about the name. I think they might mean Fleming.
Comment by Sheba — February 24, 2008 @ 1:17 pm
Throwing out “old” evidence??? Surely they are kidding. Unsolved case evidence should NEVER be discarded. What other evidence is gone forever?
Comment by north star — February 24, 2008 @ 1:51 pm
I bet the Burgess evidence was the only evidence “thrown away,” ie. there are probably boxes of evidence of other cases older than 1977 still around, properly logged after that worker did a “fantastic job” per Steve Lyles last night on NC Wanted.
Comment by heelshouse — February 24, 2008 @ 5:03 pm
#296 – If there is older evidence still around, one would think that throwing away the Burgess evidence was intentional. I would then see who was the last person to sign out that evidence and what motive might they have? An individual must have pretty high power within the Henderson legal system if that were the case. Possibly an attorney with friends on the payroll???
Comment by Dooloppy — February 24, 2008 @ 5:23 pm
Melissa and Michael, it is so obvious what you are up against–and have been for years. I really hope and pray that you will have your answers soon.
Comment by north star — February 24, 2008 @ 5:37 pm
when will sat program run again?
Comment by Missed it — February 24, 2008 @ 6:46 pm
I believe you can watch it online at http://www.ncwanted.com, but not sure when it will be available on there. I just checked the web site and Part I is still there.
Comment by Sheba — February 24, 2008 @ 7:52 pm
The sheriffs should watch that CSI tv show and that Bones lady too. They could learn about how to handle all evidence and clues!!!
Comment by Delores — February 24, 2008 @ 8:11 pm
MELISSA AND MICHAEL, I LOVE YOU VERY MUCH AND HOPE YOU CAN SOLVE THIS. YOUR COUSIN
Comment by TAMMY LYNN — February 24, 2008 @ 9:09 pm
Riding sun or whoever you are. You just do not get it do you? It was not a case of the police focusing only on one suspect it was a case of a small town and people closing ranks around this guy since he was and still is an attorney in town. At the time it would not have mattered how much evidence there was against this guy he would not have been tried because he knew and still knows too much dirt on very prominent people. If he goes down they all go down with him. I have a feeling you did not grow up in Henderson or your would know what kind of environment there is.
Comment by Chia — February 24, 2008 @ 9:28 pm
#295====see#292. I have no problem. Are you blind too? Apologies to the Burgess family for taking up this space.
Comment by richard southerland — February 24, 2008 @ 9:59 pm
#306: Your comment at #292 was held back for a while, by then I had written #295 because you had not responded to my earlier post. Things like this happen on HiH, calm down and get a grip.
We will all start a new week in the morning, let’s hope and pray that Saturday night’s show was a success in bringing back memories that had been forgotten for 30 years and that the authorities will catch this horrible man for what he has done to the Burgess/Vaughan families.
We need to keep this case alive on the radio and in the newspaper. Let’s not let them forget this case again!
Good Night and God Bless!
Comment by Sheba — February 24, 2008 @ 11:03 pm
I am thankful for the families that have endured what must have been years of emotional trials for seeing this come to fruition. My best hope for our communities is that a Cold Case File Team be established here and future co-ordinated (multiple entities) efforts be the normal rather than not.
Comment by Shadow Dancer — February 25, 2008 @ 7:08 am
*correction. should read “the norm”.
Comment by Shadow Dancer — February 25, 2008 @ 7:21 am
hey sheba – well, for starters here’s a list of ideas to begin with … 1) candle light prayer vigil at the county courthouse to proceed over to R’s & R’s office 2) write to the paper in the ‘Op / Ed’ section 3) stir up whatever you can on local talk radio stations around Henderson 4) picket in front of R’s & R’s law office 5) overwhelm the Sherriff’s office, DA’s office, judges, etc. with letters petitioning justice in this crime and be sure to remind them that you’re a voter and can impact they’re career 6) petition the NC Lawyer’s Assoc./Bar with complaints of injustice/conspiracy to cover-up for a local attorney who is an alleged suspect in a 30yr old murder 7) create a trust fund (donations by local citizens) to fund an in-depth investigation & hopefully prosecution of the Vance County Sheriff’s dept. for their totally incompetent mis-handling of the evidence in this case 8) petition the SBI to ‘get involved’ with the ‘behind the scenes’ aspects of this crime/cover-up and work it from the backside to get to ‘you know who’ 9) band together and show-up/attend county commissioners’ meetings and raise this ugly, stinking matter before them 10) continue in prayer within your homes daily/nightly for justice in this case and for restoration of decency in the authorities in your town & county law enforcement
if all this fails i may likely have more ideas. on the top of my head at the moment would be to contact me to organize a lynch mob to deal with it and bring about justice the old fashion way. of course this would be a last resort.
Comment by wyatt earp — February 25, 2008 @ 7:49 am
p.s. i’d be glad to help with any / all of this if i were a local citizen, but i’ve been gone from good ‘ol Henderson for nearly a decade now. best wishes. get something moving. reclaim decency for your town & county. let this be the catalyst and the fuel to energize the citizens.
Comment by wyatt earp — February 25, 2008 @ 7:52 am
#309 – Hey Wyatt: You can help with this! You can write a letter to the editor at the Daily Dispatch newspaper with your thoughts. Lots of people from out of town do it. I know one guy in Texas that still writes from time to time and puts his thought in the local Henderson newspaper because he use to live here. Visit http://www.hendersondispatch.com click on “Home” then down the left side you will see “Submit a letter to the editor” you can do this online, that would be great! Hope you will consider it. Thank you and have a great day. By the way, ANYONE can do this.
Comment by Sheba — February 25, 2008 @ 8:37 am
The Dispatch has done ONE article BEFORE this was on HiH and TV. They need to do more don’t you agree???
Comment by north star — February 25, 2008 @ 9:09 am
Yes, North Star, we need lots more, everyday if necessary until we have explored every avenue and got through to every person. Remember people there is a $25,000 reward offered, that is not just pocket change. Please call WIZS Town Talk and/or write a “Letter to the Editor” of the Henderson Daily Dispatch. As said before “you can do this online”, see Post #310 above for information.
Comment by Sheba — February 25, 2008 @ 9:21 am
310. You left out getting all the townspeople together with torches and storming the guys house
Comment by Infidel — February 25, 2008 @ 5:36 pm
Hey! Not a bad idea you have there. But, I really don’t think that would be the smart thing to do, although I’m sure everyone would like to. Do you have any other ideas that would be a little more tame?
Well, I heard one person on Town Talk today in the whole hour that the show was on. Pitiful! I sure hope tomorrow will be better.
Comment by Sheba — February 25, 2008 @ 5:42 pm
I just heard that Town Talk will have Melissa on the show at 11:00 am this Thursday. Everyone should listen in and/or call in with comments and/or questions. Spread the word!
Comment by Friend of the Family — February 25, 2008 @ 9:26 pm
hi sheba … Melissa has been contacted by the radio station and is planning on being interviewed about all this. it should be good. we’ll let you know what day this is scheduled so you can help get the word out.
Comment by jimmy baker — February 25, 2008 @ 9:27 pm
I sincerely hope that after all of this time that the person or people responsible can somehow be brought to justice. My family and I wish you and your family the best in finally getting the answers you deserve. Good luck!
Comment by Julie Johnson — February 26, 2008 @ 7:57 am
fyi … the following national news/broadcast sources have been contacted by forwarding them links to NC’s Wanted (about this case) and the link to this blog – - ‘On the Record w/ Greta Van Susteran’ / ‘Nancy Grace’ / CBS’s ’48 Hours’ / NBC’s ‘Dateline’ / MSNBC’s ‘MSNBC Investigates’ / ‘Tru TV’. hopefully, by having knowledge of the well produced airing of this case on NC’s Wanted, one or more of these shows will have an interest and will pursue furthering the pressure that can be applied to bring about justice for Alice and the healing that her family seeks.
Comment by jimmy baker — February 26, 2008 @ 10:02 am
Shows how “backwards” the Sheriff’s Dept. is when one of its Detectives goes on TV and says how wonderful a job the other Detective did “cleaning up the evidence room”. He also said the one who cleaned up the room probably saw Alice Burgess and the date of 1977 and simply threw away the evidence. GIVE ME A BREAK!!!! The S.B.I. needs to come to Henderson and give everyone on the Sheriff’s Dept. that had anything to do with this case a LIE DETECTOR TEST. Bet some of the Detectives(retired ones as well) would be “sweating bullets”. This case can and hopefully will be solved. It will just have to be done by an outside agency(SBI) because I think too many of the “insiders” in Henderson have been paid off!!
Comment by dukefan — February 26, 2008 @ 1:09 pm
i caught a tidbit from a friend in the community yesterday that our boy (BR) has gone and got himself and attorney! (not sure if its just for him or if he’s preparing this guy to defend him and all his ‘ol boys, time will tell). seems to this ‘ol chap that the rat is starting to sense the cat on the prowl! wake up Henderson and reclaim your community! you may not be afforded an opportunity like this for many years to come.
Comment by wyatt earp — February 26, 2008 @ 1:33 pm
any word on what’s stirring in Henderson about all this?
Comment by jimmy baker — February 26, 2008 @ 1:44 pm
Yes! More Gossip! That’ll help!
Comment by Edna Mae Blabbermouth — February 26, 2008 @ 2:07 pm
I just submitted an official request to the NC Attorney General’s office to investigate the problem of the missing evidence.
If this is more than just incompetance on the part of the Vance Co. Sheriff’s Office then finding out what happened to the evidence and/or putting pressure on the people involved in the disposal of the evidence is the best way to shake loose any breaks in this case.
Comment by Biff — February 26, 2008 @ 4:30 pm
If a detective is already retired–would he have to answer any questions from the NC Attorney Generals’s Office?
Comment by north star — February 26, 2008 @ 4:49 pm
I have to say this as well. Our system of justice presumes the innocence of a person until proven guilty in a court of law. All of my fellow Christian’s out there remember “Do unto others…”. Would you want to be publicly accused on this forum? What if the person(s) mentioned here are innocent? I’m not taking a stand either way and as I mentioned in post #324 I think something funny has gone on here so I made a formal request to the AG’s office.
So I would suggest that if you truly care about what happened here you do the same and quit gossiping about what you think might have happened 30 years ago. Think about how you would feel if you were accused of something. Remember the Duke students who were falsely accused and later it was found that the accusations just did not hold up.
I’m not saying that anyone mentioned in previous posts is innocent. I’m just saying that if you have evidence to prove that they are not then step forward, otherwise you are just speculating. Otherwise, you may be hurting someone unjustifiably.
Comment by Biff — February 26, 2008 @ 4:56 pm
to north star they should.
Comment by dukefan2 — February 26, 2008 @ 5:15 pm
Biff … that’s great! hadn’t thought of that angle. that’s the kind of action steps that may really produce results. on behalf of the family, thank you.
Comment by jimmy baker — February 26, 2008 @ 5:34 pm
Although not a big fan of hers and I question some of her ethics I would love to see this on Nancy Grace. She would mention BR’s full name and throw his name around as a suspect and it would be funny to see.
Comment by Chia — February 26, 2008 @ 5:35 pm
Oh, what a great idea – Nancy Grace would CERTAINLY get to the bottom of this…fast.
Comment by Interesting — February 26, 2008 @ 5:50 pm
Nancy Grace? Perhaps Geraldo or John Walsh would be a better idea???
Comment by north star — February 26, 2008 @ 6:13 pm
North Star, how about all of them? That’s it – surely one of them would do this story.
Comment by Interesting — February 26, 2008 @ 6:50 pm
This Post should be moved to the first page of HIH due to the interest in this case. We don’t want it to be forgotten and to continue so that we may get to the bottom of this. How do we go about getting posted so that people can find it.
Comment by speedy — February 26, 2008 @ 9:08 pm
Agree with Speedy. This needs to be kept in front of everybody to hopefully bring it to a conviction.
Comment by Interesting — February 26, 2008 @ 9:33 pm
I emailed the Governors office and ask if the state could help increase the reward.Maybe some of you could email and ask the same thing.I think we should bury the sheriff and governor in faxes and emails.Squeaky wheel gets the grease.
Comment by Joyce Pendergrass Atchison — February 26, 2008 @ 9:38 pm
#334 Contact Jason at HIH.
Comment by Joyce Pendergrass Atchison — February 26, 2008 @ 9:40 pm
How do you contact Jason.
Comment by speedy — February 26, 2008 @ 10:22 pm
How do you contact Jason? Look in a mirror and repeat three times…
Seriously, I’ll put a link in Wednesday’s open line to this article.
Comment by Jason Feingold, Ed. — February 26, 2008 @ 10:27 pm
Don’t forget “TOWN TALK” tomorrow morning at 11:00am, that is 1450am on your radio, WIZS. Melissa Burgess Baker will be the guest on the show to talk about the 30 year old murder of her Mother, Alice Burgess. Tune in and listen or call in with questions or comments.
Comment by Friend of the Family — February 27, 2008 @ 6:56 am
i know i’ve commented this on various occasions, but this is Henderson’s / Vance County’s opportunity to reclaim some degree of decency in your system of law and order. i’m w/ Joyce (#336) … make all the noise you can … “Squeaky wheels get the grease”!!! bombard everyone of authority in every possible avenue you can think of and post what you’ve done here so others may follow suit!
Comment by jimmy baker — February 27, 2008 @ 7:26 am
Everyone needs to email Nancy Grace as I just did and generate some national interest for this.Come on Henderson make your voice heard. Let her family have peace.
Comment by doctor don 53 — February 27, 2008 @ 7:53 am
#325… I’m sure the AG’s Office will be real impressed when they learn a request has come from “Biff”!
Comment by Funny, if Not so Sad! — February 27, 2008 @ 11:18 am
Perhaps I can add some intrigue to this thread. Consider which social/fraternal organization has many members in law enforcement, attorneys, and other prominent persons in the community. These old boys look out for each other. Maybe everyone has been looking in the wrong place for years. Think about that!!!
Now that a new detective is investigating, things might get solved. By the way, “J” was well compensated for his part in the cover-up. Has a nice business on Raleigh Road and does well if he sells nothing. Wonder why?
Comment by downandoutinkittrell — February 27, 2008 @ 1:30 pm
How much money does one make cutting hair? Some barbers don’t have the priviledge of living in a mansion on the by-pass. I guess choosing friends back in the day really paid off, didn’t it MW.
Comment by Legzandmore — February 27, 2008 @ 3:05 pm
down&out…. You are right! When I “consider which social/fraternal organization has many members in law enforcement, attorneys, and other prominent persons in the community” it becomes so clear.
The DEMOCRATS are covering up this thing!
Comment by Sherlock — February 27, 2008 @ 3:33 pm
to hopefully enable more people to very easily help us keep the heat up on the issue of this unsolved murder, here are some links so you can make your voice heard. thank you to anyone who contributes in this manner.
Contact the Governor’s Office …
http://www.governor.state.nc.us/email.asp?to=1
Contact the Attorney General’s Office …
http://www.ncdoj.com/default_contactus_form.jsp?sectionid=ag&subsectionid=general
Contact Nancy Grace …
http://www.cnn.com/feedback/forms/form11b.html?2
Contact NBC’s ‘Dateline NBC’ …
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23355832/
Contact CBS’s ’48 Hours’ …
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/48hours/main3410.shtml (scroll to the bottom of the page and click on ‘Contact Us’ … then fill out the info)
Contact NBC’s ‘Today Show’ … today@msnbc.com
Contact CBS’s ’60 Minutes’ …
http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/60minutes/main3415.shtml (scroll to the bottom of the page and click
on ‘Contact Us’ … then fill out the info)
Contact A&E’s ‘American Justice’ … http://www.aetv.com/global/feedback/contact.jsp?site=AETV.com&NetwCode=AEN (for ‘Subject’ click on ‘Programming/Questions About Our Programming)
Contact A&E’s ‘City Confidential’ … http://www.aetv.com/global/feedback/contact.jsp?site=AETV.com&NetwCode=AEN (for ‘Subject’ click on ‘Programming/Questions About Our Programming)
Comment by jimmy baker — February 27, 2008 @ 5:08 pm
Jimmy, thank you SO MUCH for these links. I will certainly do my part.
Comment by Interesting — February 27, 2008 @ 6:01 pm
344, and 346, never confuse Lawyers and Cops. Oil and Water.
Comment by One Time — February 27, 2008 @ 9:24 pm
Thursday, February 28th at 11:00 am LISTEN to TOWN TALK, radio station 1450am. Melissa Burgess and family will be special guests on the radio show. Ask questions or make comments relating to Alice Burgess’ 30 year old murder mystery. Someone has to know something. Remember there is a $25,000 reward being offered.
Comment by Sheba — February 27, 2008 @ 10:47 pm
The link to Part II is now on the NC Wanted website. Good luck today on the radio Melissa!
Comment by Dooloppy — February 28, 2008 @ 6:59 am
All HiH participaters: Get your mouths in gear today on Town Talk. We have to push this thing or the town and authorities will push this case aside again! Let’s try to help Melissa and Michael and their families put this “monster” in jail so they can have some closure.
Comment by Sheba — February 28, 2008 @ 7:43 am
#349….usually yes, but it depends on the place and in H’town, it was a close knit little club of both LE and Lawyers and even judges, I do not know how it is now, but that is how it use to be
Comment by Chia — February 28, 2008 @ 9:43 am
And Sherlock, this is not a party issue by a long shot it’s a Henderson issue and that is a whole other animal all in itself.
Comment by Chia — February 28, 2008 @ 9:45 am
Funny(#343), Yes all tremble in fear when they know Biff is here. :-) I crack me up.
Comment by Biff — February 28, 2008 @ 10:55 am
Is Biff short for something? I knew a Buffy once.
Comment by bloggerella — February 28, 2008 @ 11:12 am
I missed the broadcast of Town Talk. Just tuned in and heard that the reward is now $35,000. Was anything new brought out?
Comment by talldarkandhandsome — February 28, 2008 @ 11:56 am
Bloggerella,
I used to work for a large software company and in the unit I was with the manager decided that there were too many people with the same first name. So 7 of us got “new” names. Mine came from this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biff_(computing).
Its sorta stuck since then.
Comment by Biff — February 28, 2008 @ 1:04 pm
FREE MASONS .
Comment by Timothy — February 28, 2008 @ 1:07 pm
to the business owner who increased the reward money by $10,000 to increase it to $35,000 … the family is very thankful. God Bless You.
Comment by Melissa Baker — February 28, 2008 @ 1:08 pm
I have followed the string of fact absent, hearsay, innuendo, and hate filled messages regarding the murder of Ms. Burgress. Yesterday, I examined the Henderson paper for the period of November, 29, 1977 and January 10, 1978. I only saw three articles in the paper regarding Ms. Burgess during that period of time.
The first was printed on December 2, 1977, in the second section on page 14 under the headline “Search Is Launched for Vance Mother”. The article was the same size as the weather forecast for the Christmas Parade printed on the same page. On December 6, 1977, one of the front page stories was the announcement that Ms. Burgess’s body had been discovered. According to that article the State Bureau of Investigation and their crime lab had joined the Sheriff’s Department in the investigation. The next news report was published in Section Two of the paper on December 8, 1977, under the headline “Intensive Probe Continues In Slaying Of Local Women”. I did not see any other reference to this murder published in the paper through January 10, 1978. All three news articles are simply statements of facts, no speculation, no editorializing, no hearsay or innuendos of someone’s guilt or involvement.
Mr. Feingold neither you nor I lived here in 1977, and I think it is fair to say that neither of us knows how deep the hate towards one individual runs among the natives. Or what triggered that hate.
An attorney who I am acquainted told me that some fifteen years ago the hate mongers [my choice of words] on this topic created such a virulent rumor regarding an individual that the District Attorney publicly denounced that rumor on local radio and in the newspaper.
Here we are fifteen years later. The hate mongers joined by the cyber vigilantes are using this blog and a Durham based tv station to host a trial by innuendo and hearsay of an ‘anonymous’ local businessman for a murder that only has a victim and no known perpetrator. This is the worst form of justice. Did we learn nothing from the Duke Lacrosse case of 2006 where hate blinded judgment?
Mr. Feingold, as “editor” of this blog maybe you should set the objective for discourse on this topic to seek only the facts in this matter while silencing the vigilantes, hate and hearsay mongers.
Here is a fact worth considering, according to the local paper in December 1977, two “unrelated” murders occurred near Greensboro. Both victims were women and their bodies were abandoned in separate locations. Where those murders solved?
Here are some questions seeking facts. What are the practices for the collection and retention of evidence in use today and how has that changed in the past 30 years? What does it mean to say an accredited Sheriff’s Department and is our Sheriff’s Department an accredited? What did the district attorney say in the paper 15 years ago on this same topic?
I believe that this blog can server a greater purpose to all the citizens of Henderson and Vance County through the free and open exchange of ideas and dialog that the local newspaper has abdicated and radio or tv where not intended. Using this forum to bash the Sheriff’s Department or the Courts for their practices of 30 years ago, or to attack others and state hearsay as a truth all in anonymity makes this blog irrelevant in ideas and opinions. Have we lost focus that as a people we must practice the belief that it is unacceptable, unjust, inappropriate behavior to publicly or privately persecute someone by means of hearsay, innuendo, hatred, and vengeance?
I expect those with axes to grind to attack this treatise ignoring the point that the person(s) eventually accused of this the murder must be tried in a fair and open court of law where justice is blind to hate, anger, hearsay, and vengeance.
Comment by Michael Bobbitt — February 28, 2008 @ 1:38 pm
I have put this question on the blog once, but apparently it didn’t go through.
I called into Town Talk this morning to ask a question, but they failed to ask it for some reason. I was wondering if they exhumed Alice’s body could any DNA be gathered after all these years? If she had intercourse before being murdered, can they get any DNA that was left from that? Does anyone know?
Melissa & Michael ya’ll are in my hearts and prayers. I have seen the hurt this tragedy has caused you and it is time for you, your families, and your Mom to receive justice!
Comment by Just Wondering — February 28, 2008 @ 1:48 pm
THE SKULL AND BONES SOCIETY.
Comment by Matthew — February 28, 2008 @ 1:55 pm
I missed it too. Anyone call in with some new tips? What happens now?
Comment by tall4aday — February 28, 2008 @ 2:32 pm
“Is Biff short for something? I knew a Buffy once.
Comment by bloggerella”….oh then you must be from H’town. ;-)
Comment by Chia — February 28, 2008 @ 5:06 pm
#357, Are we suppose to know what “Free Masons” means? Maybe I am a little dense.
#358, Did I miss something here?
It seems to me there are some bloggers on HiH that are joining in just to be doing something or just to see their “alias’ name appear in print. I have seen several “off the wall” comments since this particular blog started, that either make no sense at all, have nothing to do with the Alice Burgess 30 year unsolved murder case, or comments are being made about people that you really don’t know but are talking about them as if you do. If you actually knew these people you would have your facts and information correct.
Please stick with the topic of this discussion, we are not here to play games. The reward was raised to $35,000 today. Someone out there knows something and should be willing to tell it for that kind of money.
Comment by Big Daddy — February 28, 2008 @ 7:07 pm
Post 359 – What happens now is we hope and pray that someone will contact the authorities with evidence or information on who killed Alice!
The Reward was raised to $35,000 today by a local business owner who has challenged other business owners to match his $10,000. Up until 3-4 weeks ago, after 30 years, the reward was only $5,000. It’s a shame that this young woman was murdered leaving 3 beautiful children without a Mother and this community can’t get up enough money to help raise the reward money to find her murderer. Please have some compassion for these children so they can finally have some closure.
Keeping this thing alive until the murderer is put behind bars is the goal. So everyone submit your “letter to the editor”.
Comment by Sheba — February 28, 2008 @ 7:23 pm
Keep the reward money coming!!! Thanks to all that participate.Let’s get the killer.
Comment by Joyce Pendergrass Atchison — February 28, 2008 @ 8:00 pm
ilistened to the town talk show today, I was very happy to hear that the reward was increased to 35.000. I truly hope the case will be solved. The person who did this has to be a coldhearted person.I don’t believe he has the guts to do the honest thing.You know the kind of man who beats up on or hurts women is trying to compincate for coming up short if you know what i mean.I would also like to know if it would be possible to exsume her body for dna evidence . Thanks Pearl
Comment by pearl — February 28, 2008 @ 9:23 pm
keep up the heat. write in with your thoughts and views. it is really very simple, so much so that even an ‘ol cowboy like me can do it. just click on the link … http://www.hendersondispatch.com … then click on the Letter to the Editor on the left hand side and go to typ’n! yee haw! the wranglers is a comin’!!!
Comment by wyatt earp — February 28, 2008 @ 9:31 pm
find lots of convenient links to let your voice and the voice of your community be heard at #347. don’t let this opportunity to ‘band together’ to achieve something much larger than any one of us alone pass you by. reclaim decency for your community. let it start here with the momentum of this issue and let it keep on rolling to where ever it needs to go. who knows what all might turn up when the voice of the people starts resounding as ‘one’!!!
Comment by jimmy baker — February 28, 2008 @ 9:37 pm
Action speaks louder than words. people need to go to the attorney general’s office. make your voice be heard. the FBI needs to get involved, they can get involved for a steroids case with Roger Clemens but not murder. makes no sense to me or maybe it does, lets waste somemore of the tax payers money. FBI investigate this murder!!!! it is sick to think that the SBI has been manipulated by this individual!! there has to be someone out there reading & watching that knows how to get action on this case. Michael & Melissa, post a day that you would like people to come together at the Attorney General’s Office. this should not even have to be done, he should already see that Henderson’s law enforcement and their courts are corrupt. ACTION SPEAKS!!!!!!!!!!!
Comment by no name — February 29, 2008 @ 5:48 am
I have submitted this has a story idea to CNN/Nancy Grace. I will go down the list provided by Jimmy and submit at least one organization a day until I have gone through the list. I encourage others to do the same. Maybe someone local could put together a story request and then have people sign it and then send it in via FedEx or some others means. But if you can get several pages of signatures that may make more of an impact than just getting hit with a bunch of e-mails. Just a thought.
Comment by Chia — February 29, 2008 @ 9:55 am
btt
Comment by heelshouse — February 29, 2008 @ 10:51 am
If $35,000 does not get anyone to come forward, then I doubt any amount will do it. $35,000 in Vance County is like $3.5 million in the normal world.
Comment by Incentive — February 29, 2008 @ 2:58 pm
I am not a poster – just a lurker. I have a cousin that was friends with Alice. I saw her a few times and Alice was a pretty girl and seemed so sweet. I was wondering if anyone has considered writing a book about this drama. I think and would hope if it wasn’t too hard that Michael and Melissa could benefit greatly and maybe in some odd way help with some kind of closure. Please forgive me if you think this is a bad idea. Or maybe even a magazine article. I hear these amounts some of the magazines pay out for stories. This one is 30 yrs. old but there happens to be a lot of people hoping it might or should be solved at this point. There are a lot of unusual things about this case as well and I hate to say it but some people like to read about this kinda stuff, as I see reading all the blogs. I hope this info. will help and maybe someone (I hope in the family) can benefit in some way. God Bless you all!!
Comment by old lady j — February 29, 2008 @ 7:08 pm
Mike and Melissa and the rest of the family will have closure when the killer is caught and put behind bars.We have to know who killed Alice!Do you know what it has been like for 30 years ,not knowing who beat your Mother to death?Alice’s Mother and youngest daughter and her husband Bobby, and Bobby’s Mother and Bobby’s grandparents all died without knowing who killed her.This family has to know who the killer is so we can move on and have closure.If you know anything,PLEASE HELP US!
Comment by Joyce Pendergrass Atchison — February 29, 2008 @ 7:54 pm
Yes of course, making sure this MONSTER gets what he deserves is the 1st priority. No, I can’t imagine what the family has been going thru for so long, year after year with the memory of what Alice went thru. But easier said than done, trying to remember the lovely mother, daughter, sister, grandmother, friend and all that she was and could have been to so many people. I bet she is one of so many “angels” looking down so loving and proud of her family and friends right now.
Comment by old lady j — February 29, 2008 @ 10:11 pm
Regarding post #361 (Michael Bobbitt): Does anyone know who this Michael Bobbitt is? Hmmm, might be a friend of BR’s. Maybe another Tombstone buddy?
Mr. Bobbitt or whatever your real name is, since you didn’t live here in 1977 and you don’t know any of the family and you didn’t know Alice, then I would think that you probably don’t know anything about the history that we are talking about. So you did a little newspaper research from late 1977 to early 1978. That’s all the information you have that is factual, because as I said, you don’t know the people nor the history.
We, the residents of Henderson and the family and friends of Alice, know the facts and what was going on in small town Henderson. It being a small town everyone knows everyone’s business here and it was no secret that there was an affair going on with this married man. It’s no secret that HE drank a lot and had a terrible temper (of which I have heard stories about many times this week). It’s no secret that he use to abuse his 1st wife. It’s no secret that the evidence from this murder case is MISSING – an UNSOLVED 30 year old MURDER CASE and the evidence has just disappeared! We all know what has happened here in small town Henderson and it’s a shame that the people who are involved or know who was involved in this murder/coverup that happened that cold rainy night in late November 1977 won’t come forward and tell what they know so we can put HIM/THEM behind bars where they belong.
Now, Mr. Bobbitt, you come on here with your wordy words and say that we the people of Henderson who want this man behind bars are “hate mongers” or whatever you choose to call us. We know the story we know the deal, you sound like an outsider looking in to something you know nothing about. Hopefully the GUILTY will hear about or see these blogs and finally decide to tell the truth just to set us straight. But, Mr. Bobbitt it won’t be you setting us straight. Keep reading your fairytale book while we spend our time trying to catch the MURDERER.
Comment by Sheba — March 1, 2008 @ 3:27 pm
To post 362, according to Dr. John Butts, associate medical examiner, …”the autopsy indicated no evidence of sexual assault.” Source Henderson Daily Dispatch Thursday December 8, 1977.
To post 372, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) is responsibile for investigating Federal crimes. Ms. Burgess’s murder is a State crime.
Comment by Michael Bobbitt — March 1, 2008 @ 3:30 pm
Posts #362 & #369: I too had the same question about any possible DNA being found on Alice’s body after 30 years. I was told by a reliable source (in the medical field) that exsuming Alice’s body in hopes of finding the murderer’s DNA, would be a “long shot”.
Our biggest and best hope is that HIS DNA will be found on Alice’s coat, the one that she had with her that night, the same coat that the SBI has NOW and is being analyzed.
Comment by Sheba — March 1, 2008 @ 4:12 pm
A true crime novel certainly is an idea… Ann Rule is a best-selling author who prefers to write about lesser-known cases and a former police detective; this story line is right up her alley. Jerry Bledsoe is a North Carolinian who wrote the stories of Velma Barfield and that Blanche lady, and other NC crimes that escape me at the moment.
Comment by heelshouse — March 1, 2008 @ 4:43 pm
Perhaps his present wife is reading this and wondering????
Comment by north star — March 1, 2008 @ 5:47 pm
To Post #380: If you are going to read how about reading EVERYTHING! Alice had consentual sex that night, no one said anything about sexual assault, except you! Just in case you didn’t know, DNA can be left behind during consentual sexual intercourse! Read on!
Comment by Sheba — March 1, 2008 @ 6:17 pm
michael bobbitt #380 … thanks for the confirmation of the obvious, that the autopsy report indicated no evidence of sexual assault. lines up perfectly with everyone whose thinking leads them to believe that a certain individual with whom Alice was romantically involved should be a prime suspect. i’m quite surprised that it even made it into the paper, though. but then again i think you did state in one of your postings that the local paper actually managed to print three (3) articles about this story – - one even happened to be about the size of that day’s weather forecast. what a joke!!! maybe even the paper had links to the murderer (and that’s what he should be called — there’s a distinct difference in killing and murdering). soldiers are trained to and at times have to ‘kill’. murder is another thing altogether. don’t get them confused.
Comment by wyatt earp — March 1, 2008 @ 6:26 pm
michael bobbitt – - i think mostly everyone who has posted here has done so out of concern for this issue and out of a depth of feeling for the family and what they’ve had to endure as a result of the murderer’s actions that night. furthermore, i believe they and i have great faith in our legal and justices systems … at least when they work. in this particular case (and others i’m sure) it appears as if the system is broken or is being (has been being manipulated). provided the correct suspect is ever brought to trial for his actions, i, along with everyone else who has posted here or who has an interest in this case, will presume him innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. obviously, the goal now is to ensure that whomever the murderer is – - that he be found, arrested, tried, convicted, & properly sentenced for his actions (if, by the grace of God there’s found evidence substantial enough to allow this to happen).
no one here believes in lynchings … we just want the murderer brought to justice — even if it’s after 3 decades.
Comment by jimmy baker — March 1, 2008 @ 6:34 pm
to Michael and Melissa and the rest of the Burgess family and friends: you are in my prayers and I hope that all your questions will be answered soon. I hope that the person or persons responsible for this horrible and brutal murder will be caught and justice will be served.
To post#380: You stated that the FBI investigates Federal crimes and that the Burgess Murder is only state. Isn’t it true that ” Corruption or cover up in law enforcement or the judicial system” a Federal crime and can be investigated by the FBI?
I do not understand how anyone (law enforcement or janitor) could “throw away” any evidence no matter how old it is. Evidence is evidence rather it is 30 days old or 30 years old. Yes I know that in 1977 there was no DNA testing but this case was and still is UNSOLVED, therefore the evidence should not have just disappeared. If in fact it is true that a person “cleaning up the evidence room” saw the box and saw that it was from 30 years ago thought that it was no good then why did they only take the evidence out of the box and discard of it and leave the box there? Wouldn’t it have made more since to have thrown the box out with the evidence IF in fact they were simply “cleaning up”?
I do not know who did this murder therefore I can not point fingers however there is someone or people out there who do know who did this and those people who are keeping quiet are holding the blood of this loving mother, sister, and daughter on their hands just as the murderer is.
Lets all pray that the Burgess family will find their answers very soon. May God bless you all!
Comment by wondering mind — March 1, 2008 @ 11:17 pm
Maybe the box should be checked for prints of the people that handled it,or maybe there is some DNA on the box.
Comment by Joyce Pendergrass Atchison — March 2, 2008 @ 3:53 pm
Sorry Mr. Bobbit, but if you did not live here at the time then you have no idea what we, the locals, know about this guy. There are police reports and hospital records to back up how violent this man was esp when he was drinking. Also, in regards to getting facts straight, WRAL is a Raleigh station not a Durham station.
Comment by Chia — March 2, 2008 @ 10:12 pm
It seems this Bobbitt guy is being very quiet, we must have hit a nerve. Keep this post going everyone, don’t let it die. Hopefully the SBI will have good news for us all soon.
Comment by Sheba — March 3, 2008 @ 6:47 am
Mr. Bobbitt, the very same rumor proliferation, gossip-mongering, and hate speech that permeates the collective culture of Vance County, is what makes cases like this more difficult to investigate factually in the first place. It is very unfortunate.
Comment by Sad Fact — March 3, 2008 @ 11:59 am
The link to listen to the daughter’s interview on Town Talk is “http://www.wizs.com/.”
Comment by rooster — March 4, 2008 @ 5:47 am
Thank you Rooster, that’s good to know for those who weren’t tuned in to 1450am on Thursday.
Where is everybody?
Comment by Sheba — March 4, 2008 @ 6:35 am
Good Morning Sheba: Hopefully everybody is dialing their phone to report tips to the SBI or writing “Letters to the Editor”.
Comment by Big Daddy — March 4, 2008 @ 6:37 am
Micheal,
I worked with you almost 15years ago as a bartender at HCC. You may not remember me, but I had no idea off all that you and your family had been through at the time. You had plans in your life and it seems you have succeded in doing them and doing them well. It is a true testament to how you mother in her short life instilled values in you that you and your sister carry today. Good Luck and I pray for you and your family that you may one day have a resolution to this.
Lori
Comment by Keanlusmom — March 4, 2008 @ 11:51 am
Let’s not quit now,we have to keep this alive.People forgot 30 years ago.Police pushed it aside and it is now 30 years later.This family shouldn’t have to wait another 30 years to know who committed this brutal crime.Can you imagine your mother beaten to death, and no arrest and conviction for such a crime?
Comment by Joyce Pendergrass Atchison — March 4, 2008 @ 2:54 pm
FREEMASONS . The lodge to observe is on Brody Rd.in Henderson . Perhaps this is the secret society people are wondering about . It seems a lot of movers and shakers in this area attend some of the meetings .
Comment by Deepthroat — March 4, 2008 @ 3:20 pm
DeepThroat, who are the MASONS? What did they do?Why do you think we should FREE them?
Comment by Vance Viking — March 4, 2008 @ 5:14 pm
I was recently asked did i know anything about another death of a young woman named edith ayscue. I was told this woman was also involved with this man. I would like for anyone who knows anything about this case to let me know. I was told this case was also unsolved.I was told she was killed in her home. Oh and she also lived in henderson.
Comment by pearl — March 4, 2008 @ 7:04 pm
Pearl: I do not know if Edith was involved with this same man, but in answer to your questions, yes she was murdered in her home and yes she did live in Henderson. Her murder is also unsolved.
Comment by Big Daddy — March 4, 2008 @ 7:27 pm
#397 thanks for calling we Masons movers and shakers. Just to enlighten you Masons are morally good and caharitable people whose main purpose is helping his fellow man more especially the widows and orphans. Before a person can become a Mason he must go through a background check, if he has a criminal record he can not become a member. Once he becomes a mason if he is convicted of a felon he is expelled from the lodge.
A lot of people petition the lodge each year and are rejected. With that being said any male over eighteen years of age of good caharacter and AND care for the good of his fellow man feels like he can contribute ASK A MASON TO BE ONE. Remember we don’t ask You . you ask and pass the background check we will be glad to have you.
WE CAN ALWAYS USE GOOD MEN
Proud to be one
Comment by Harvey L. Tyson — March 4, 2008 @ 7:28 pm
to all who missed it live ‘on the air’ … the following is the link to the radio station where Melissa (daughter) and Lou Anderson (sister) were interviewed live about this saga. … http://www.wizs.com . great job to both of you! community of Henderson / Vance County – - please assist us in keeping this ‘stirred up’ within your community! let’s not let this fade into distant memory as it did originally. take heed and reclaim your community. sincere, heartfelt thanks to all of you on behalf of the family.
Comment by jimmy baker — March 4, 2008 @ 8:40 pm
#400 – Where did Edith Ayscue live in Henderson and when did this happen? I remember my grandmother talking about another woman being murdered that was also involved with this same man, but it seems it was before Alice’s untimley death. Where is the evidence to this case? Did it get thrown out “accidentially” too?
Comment by Just Wondering — March 4, 2008 @ 9:49 pm
#403 – I remember this happening in the early 1970′s I believe. Edith was a beautiful girl, wore her clothes very tight, had very long blond hair. I think she was living in a trailer in North Henderson at the time of her death. Edith had a baby that was in the house at the time but he/she was unhurt.
Comment by Big Daddy — March 4, 2008 @ 10:18 pm
Does anyone know how many unsolved cases there are? Are there not resources already set aside for a Cold Case Section, office, equipment or is it a budgeted item that must be approved first?
Comment by Shadow Dancer — March 5, 2008 @ 6:10 am
Very strange indeed – 2 women, both blonde hair, both murdered about the same time, and both unsolved. Small town cover up? You think?
Comment by Interesting — March 5, 2008 @ 6:40 am
#403 That is what I remember my grandmother talking about (don’t remember about the small child though), but my mother doesn’t remember it.
My family lived in N. Henderson for over 45 years and my mother could only recall Edith Abbott being severely beaten up in her trailer in N. Henderson in 70s. She didn’t remember someone named Edith being murdered in N. Henderson. Could they be one in the same? If so, Edith Abbott was not murdered, although she did die some years later because of the beating. She was beaten so severely she had to be placed in a nursing home where she died. If these are the same, it was believed that Edith was beaten by someone else, not the person believed to be responsible for Alice’s murder, but her case is still unresolved as well.
If they are not the same, and there is a link between Edith and the person responsible for Alice’s murder, maybe the SBI needs to be notified about this as well. If Edith’s evidence has not been as conveniently discarded as Alice’s was, maybe they can do some DNA on that and find a link.
#381 even if it is a long shot, it sounds as if there is some slight possibility they could obtain something. If there is even a remote chance of being able to get DNA, why not exhume her body and take that chance? All they need is 1 little item that contains DNA that is not hers.
Comment by Just wondering — March 5, 2008 @ 9:37 am
Hey is it possible that this guy has gotten away with two murders. Perhaps there is some dna evidence on that case that would incrimanate this man. I wonder who would have to ask for that case to be reopened.Does any one know what happened to the child who was in house when their mother was killed that would have to affect his or her life.
Comment by pearl — March 5, 2008 @ 12:21 pm
NOTICE … if you would be willing to assist in distributing the flyers throughout Henderson / Vance County and surrounding areas regarding the ‘Reward’ & ‘Info’ about this case, please contact NCEnfocer4u@aol.com . anyone can assist in this manner and the family will be greatly appreciative of the additional help/support from whomever chooses to help us in this way.
Comment by jimmy baker — March 5, 2008 @ 3:08 pm
Michael and Melissa– have you told the SBI investigator about this other unsolved murder from the 70′s? She should be able to get the info and evidence (if it is still there). Good luck.
Comment by north star — March 5, 2008 @ 3:19 pm
#407 – Edith Ayscue was killed in a trailer in North Henderson in the early 1970′s. The other woman that you are hearing about was Edith Abbott, she was beaten and put in a nursing home where she later died.
Comment by I remember when — March 5, 2008 @ 7:37 pm
NOTICE … *** CORRECTION TO E-MAIL ADDRESS *** if you would be willing to assist in distributing the flyers throughout Henderson / Vance County and surrounding areas regarding the ‘Reward’ & ‘Info’ about this case, please contact NCEnforcer4u@aol.com . anyone can assist in this manner and the family will be greatly appreciative of the additional help/support from whomever chooses to help us in this way.
Comment by jimmy baker — March 5, 2008 @ 3:08 pm
my apologies for the earlier ‘typo’ error. the above e-mail is correct.
thanks, jimmy baker
Comment by jimmy baker — March 5, 2008 @ 7:38 pm
#411 Thanks! I was curious if they were talking about the same person or 2 different people. Now that it has been cleared up, seems very interesting and coincidental – doesn’t it? I really hope someone within the SBI will look into this other case to see if there is any link. It would be great if Melissa and Michael could get justice as well as Edith Ayscue’s family, not to mention the two victims.
Comment by Just Wondering — March 5, 2008 @ 7:43 pm
yee haa!!! looks like this bump’kin is darn toot’n double dog determined to get hemmed in. this ole skank just might have been given just e’nuf rope that he’s on the brink of hanging himself! let’s keep on a’rollin and bring out the big GUNS! the possee is a comin’!!!
Comment by wyatt earp — March 5, 2008 @ 7:44 pm
thanks to everyone who is assisting in keeping this alive! hopefully, it will not fade into the distance with everything that is stirring here on this blog. everyone & anyone with any information that will contribute toward bringing justice in this (these) crime(s), please bring it forth. we thank you.
Comment by jimmy baker — March 5, 2008 @ 7:50 pm
How about putting an ad in the paper about the reward?Maybe if the right person reads the paper he will come forward with some info.or maybe it will jog a memory.Anything from the SBI yet?
Comment by Joyce Pendergrass Atchison — March 5, 2008 @ 9:01 pm
Edith Ayscue was killed in Dec. 1970, There were Two little boys inside the home when it happen. One is now dead the other is living out side Vance County. The Sheriffs Dept. at the time I thank ruled the case a suicide and closed it without much of a investgation. There are family and others that thank she was murder.
Comment by rembember also — March 5, 2008 @ 10:05 pm
I am sitting here wondering how this person who commited this murder fells about the fact that a business man is willing to donate ten thousand dolars to see him brought to justice.He seems to think he has control of everyone in town,HA HA i guess now he knows he does not. I pray for alice and edith to get the justice they deserve soon.
Comment by pearl — March 5, 2008 @ 10:57 pm
Did everyone see Jimmy Baker’s “letter to the editor”? It was in Tuesday’s paper. I think Jimmy said everything that needed to be said. Melissa and Michael and all of the families have waited a very long time to find out who this monster is that killed their mother. I can tell from his letter that Jimmy is a wonderful husband and father and he loves Melissa very much. Both Melissa and Jimmy are very lucky people to have each other through thick and thin through the good times as well as the bad and to have such a wonderful, happy, and loving family. God Bless you all!
Remember everyone the reward is now up to $35,000, that is nothing to sneeze at. Call in your information or your tips, tell them what you remember.
Comment by Sheba — March 6, 2008 @ 6:32 am
I’m hearing that they have a name for the person that “supposedly” cleaned out the evidence room. Shouldn’t this man be questioned? He should remember if he threw a tire jack in the trash!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Maybe the truth will be out soon.
Comment by I remember when — March 6, 2008 @ 6:36 am
LETTERS TO THE EDITOR
Solve Burgess murder
To the editor:
My wife’s mother, Alice Vaughan Burgess, was brutally murdered just outside of Henderson on Nov. 29, 1977.
I, like my wife (Melissa), was 10 years old at the time.
I have supported Melissa throughout our marriage and the entirety of this recent ordeal, as it has been difficult for her dredging up all these sad and painful memories. Needless to say, we, her brother and his family, extended family, and the vast majority of the HendersonVance County community truly hope and pray that justice is served here.
For 30 years, someone in your community has gone about his life without consequences for his savage actions that fateful night. Melissa and Michael patiently awaited justice for their mother until they deemed they could wait no longer. They began to dig and search for answers. In doing so, the current investigator with the SBI suggested airing their story on NC’s Wanted. Well, that has happened, the reward money is now at $25,000, and leads are coming in.
ll of our family remains filled with hope that their diligent efforts will bring about the desired result of justice to this brutally savage murderer. Many people in the Henderson area believe they know who committed this crime. From all I’ve heard through the years, I truly believe that all the evidence in this case tends to point back to one person. … I am not a vindictive person; yet, I am definitely a person who believes in the absolute truth and desires to see justice served.
My wife and I have a wonderful life together. We have four beautiful children and another one on the way. It grieves my heart knowing how many times I’ve watched Melissa seek the advice and knowledge from other women when her mother would have otherwise been here to deliver. It caused me pain, even in the midst of great joy, knowing that there must have been an emptiness, a void within, a longing for her mother to have been near her during the births of each of our children.
I must say that I married an incredible woman. She has the depth of character that can only be forged through times of trials and pain such as what she has experienced in her life.
Please join us in praying that this killer will no longer manage to sidestep the law.
Those of you who know something, anything about this case, please join us in summoning the courage you need to come forward to deliver justice. God bless you.
JIMMY BAKER,
ROCKY MOUNT
***Taken from the Dispatch “Letters to the Editor”, March 4th edition.
Comment by Interesting — March 6, 2008 @ 7:49 am
seems to this here ole fella that it’d be awefully wise for the SBI agent in charge of this here case to post to this site. if the SBI can say what type of way that they can protect the snitch it might just bring him or her out of their closet just a darn bit quicker. ya know, rats snitch on rats. it’s the way they survive and show who’s the real boss! with the reward $ where it is someone might just be prone to blabbing if they’d just know they would be completely protected. guess it ain’t too bad to give one rat a safe house if you get to the guilty one, is it?
Comment by wyatt earp — March 6, 2008 @ 12:20 pm
post 359….what do Freemasons have to do with this or are you just rambling again?…..take your meds and get the laundry done!!!!!
Comment by packfan — March 6, 2008 @ 4:42 pm
Wyatt, the SBI does not blog.
Comment by Agent 86 — March 6, 2008 @ 9:42 pm
Agent 86 – Maybe they should consider it. The authorities are catching perverts online all the time. Don’t you watch MSNBC?
Comment by Why Not — March 6, 2008 @ 10:05 pm
No. TV is not real life. Neither is a blog. This thread stopped being helpful about 300 posts ago. Too much misinformation on here now.
Comment by Agent 86 — March 6, 2008 @ 11:43 pm
A 86. This ‘blog’ is more real than some will ever know.
Comment by Shadow Dancer — March 7, 2008 @ 6:37 am
I was present 30 years ago when Bobby Burgess told his children that their Mother had been found and she was never coming home again.It was so heartbreaking to hear the cries and the sobs from three innocent children.It was so upsetting for Bobby,he broke out in hives.I will never forget that awful day.I was also present the day Mike and Melissa’s baby sister died.I was holding her in my arms when she passed on.She talked to me until the last breath.Mike and Melissa have had to deal with a lot of tragedy in their lives.Let’s keep to the problem at hand and let’s get the killer.
Comment by Joyce Pendergrass Atchison — March 7, 2008 @ 7:19 am
Joyce, you are a good person. I am sure that these 30 years have been really hard on you, knowing how those children have suffered. Hopefully, closure will come soon and an arrest will be made.
Comment by Interesting — March 7, 2008 @ 8:03 am
Did anyone notice in today’s paper that an Eddie L Williams died? Is this the same one?
Comment by Is it? — March 7, 2008 @ 10:33 am
it is the same guy.
Comment by rooster — March 7, 2008 @ 10:38 am
The same Eddie Williams–this is worthy of a book!
Comment by north star — March 7, 2008 @ 10:44 am
the plot thickens. did anyone volunteer for handing out flyers? should the reward be increased? what are your thoughts?
Comment by rooster — March 7, 2008 @ 10:48 am
I was hopeing that because there was so little evidence in alices case that maybe by bringing to someones attention the fact that there maybe was another woman murdered in this town who may have been involved with this same person.that this would give the sbi more ammo to at lease look into this persons background. I keep remembering the old saying you have got to stand for something or you will fall for anything..I pray this is solved soon and the person responsible will be brought to justice.
Comment by pearl — March 7, 2008 @ 10:55 am
fyi … Reward $ = $35,000.00!!! tips can be anonymous to any of the following … you may relay \’tips\’, \’info\’, \’leads\’, etc. per any of the following …
… call the SBI @ 1-800-334-3000 … or …
e-mail – - ncwanted@ncwanted.com … or …
homeinhenderson@nc.rr.com … or …
NCEnforcer4u@aol.com … or …
you may write an op/ed piece for your local newspaper simply by clicking … http://www.hendersondispatch.com … then click on the \”Letter to the Editor\” on the left hand side of the page. the screen will appear where you can simply type up your thoughts/article in the comfort of your home at your computer.
thanks to anyone and everyone who attempts to help bring justice to the murderer in this case and a sense of peace to Melissa and Michael. God Bless You.
Comment by jimmy baker — March 7, 2008 @ 8:14 pm
We received a call from a person who wishes to stay anonymous. The reward has now been increased to $50,000.00. Again, the reward money can be collected through a valid tip that leads to the arrest and conviction of the person responsible for this brutal murder. This comes at a time when I and Jimmy Baker remain positive that someone out there will do the right thing and step forward. My sister is struggling to remain positive. We need your help. Talk to people around town and coax this person to come forward. I have read postings about handing out flyers. Can anyone help with this? I appreciate all of your responses, including the negative, but please continue to keep this alive. When I think of mother\’s brutal murder today, I think of my kids and how I would move heaven and earth to find someone who caused harm to them. This may sound extreme in today\’s world, but I remember my grandfather\’s state after identifying the body of his youngest child. He would stand outside by his truck staring at his feet for days on end. What must have been going through this God fearing man\’s mind? I don\’t know. I can only imagine. He may have been trying to shake the image of his beautiful young daughter and the brutality that was inflicted. No longer recognizable, maybe he was trying to replace the image with a picture of his vibrant, loving and beautiful child he once knew. Impossible! Help!
Comment by Michael Burgess — March 8, 2008 @ 9:54 am
Jason,
Can you put a link on the front page of HIH to allow quick access? This blog is a great place for information concerning this murder, but it is buried under more current stories. I understand there is a flyer that is to be posted around Henderson concerning the reward amount and contact information. Can you put a copy of the reward flyer with the link on the website?
Burgess Family our prayers are with you.
Comment by Dooloppy — March 8, 2008 @ 10:09 am
Was there any link between Alice Burgess and Eddie Williams, the man who was tried for her murder?
Comment by LIM — March 8, 2008 @ 11:44 am
#438 – No there wasn’t any link between Alice and Eddie Williams. Someone (with great influence in this county) was trying to make him a patsy, but thank the lord above the juror saw right through it!
Comment by Just Wondering — March 8, 2008 @ 11:54 am
Eddie Williams was tried and acquitted of the murder of my mother. When tried he was in prison for the murder of a 14 year old girl. He served 28 years and was released in 2005. We had the pleasure of meeting him a couple of months ago. If anyone has ever been rehabilitated by prison, Eddie Williams was the one. I refer to him as the gentle giant.
Comment by Michael Burgess — March 8, 2008 @ 11:54 am
Michael, I am sorry for your loss, but I wonder if that murdered 14-yr old girl would call him “gentle”? I do hope your mother’s killer is captured.
Comment by Focus — March 8, 2008 @ 12:19 pm
on behalf of our family and Michael’s family, thank you for another increase in the reward money. hopefully, lips are beginning to feel a bit looser … $50k is no small piece of pocket change.
with or without the chance of pocketing reward money, if you’re keeping up with the postings here and truly know anything of substance that can point investigators in the right direction — take the opportunity to purge your soul, come clean of, and make peace with your bad deeds.
someone with knowledge of who Alice’s murderer is may likely be getting along in years to where he is coming to terms with his own mortality. i certainly hope and pray that he’ll not choose to cross over into eternity with this burdening his soul.
pray with us and please continue striving to reclaim decency for your community. it will be well worth it in the end.
Comment by jimmy baker — March 8, 2008 @ 12:48 pm
I have just emailed and requested flyers so we can distribute them throughout the area. Wow, the REWARD has been increased to $50,000!!!!!!!! That is fantastic! Our thoughts and prayers go out to Melissa, Michael and all of their love ones.
I urge all of you as individuals and/or business owners to email NCEnforcer4u@aol.com and tell them you too want to distribute the reward flyers! Thank you.
Comment by Sheba — March 8, 2008 @ 2:32 pm
Maybe the Henderson Dispatch will be willing to put the flyers inside their papers,or maybe donating a free large size ad in the paper.Maybe Jason can post it on HIH.
Comment by Joyce Pendergrass Atchison — March 8, 2008 @ 4:19 pm
$50,000 – HOW WONDERFUL!! This is truly the best news I have heard lately. People, let’s rally around and get this killer brought to justice. $50,000 – that is a LOT of money.
Putting the flyers in the Henderson Dispatch is a great idea. Let’s see what Mr. Edwards thinks about this, since it won’t cost him one red cent. That is a splendid idea!
And, thank you Jason for HiH and all of the good that it is doing in our community. Look at this – 444 posts and still going strong. THANK YOU!!
Comment by Interesting — March 8, 2008 @ 4:33 pm
Who would pay to insert the flyers into the papers?
Comment by Conspiracy theorist — March 8, 2008 @ 7:46 pm
maybe someone will volunteer!
Comment by optimist — March 8, 2008 @ 8:13 pm
i’ve contacted the Henderson Dispatch via e-mail requesting someone to contact me about the cost of distributing the flyers as an insert in their paper. hope to have this lined up and out into the community soon.
Comment by jimmy baker — March 9, 2008 @ 3:11 pm
I went to nancy graces web site to ask them to please run this story. hopefully they will.There are a lot of people in this town who would like to see this solved as well as Edith,s case.Apparantley the person who is suspect in both cases had alot of power back then but not any more.Most of us heard about these murders from their friends and family that lived most of their lives in this town and know what they are talking about .I am the child of one such person. About Ediths death that was the first time i have ever heard that it was suicide.
Comment by pearl — March 10, 2008 @ 12:35 pm
Jason, thanks for the prominence you’ve given to this topic by placing the picture and reward at the top of the 1st page. hopefully, time will prove that your site, along with everyone’s concern and eagerness to have the truth revealed in this (and perhaps other) case(s), has played a large role in facilitating the course of justice. thanks again.
Comment by jimmy baker — March 10, 2008 @ 5:52 pm
THANK YOU JASON, for moving this to the front. Hopefully, there will be an arrest soon.
Comment by Interesting — March 10, 2008 @ 5:59 pm
The murderer likely has a circle of friends who have lived under his thumb since high school. He knows all their secrets and wouldn’t think twice about using those secrets to keep the gang in tow. He’s not going to have a sudden conviction of conscience. Violent people bury their consciences with every repeated abuse. Henderson is a small town and practically everyone is related. No one has the courage to name the murderer. He has too much power in their lives.
Comment by Radical American — March 10, 2008 @ 8:03 pm
I am just sitting here wondering if any one has contacted the suspect by any one i mean anyone in law inforcement.Has any one heard? I was reading over some of the earlyer posts.Some people don,t seem to get it.A young mother was murdered and because the suspect was a local attorney who had friends in the sheriffs department and court system he was allowed to go free.How are we the people of henderon to have any faith in our legal system.I have always thought a person should suffer consiquinces for thier actions ,well Alice payed the ultimate consiquince with her life now it is time for him to pay.
Comment by pearl — March 11, 2008 @ 6:44 am
Pearl, true words. What I don’t understand is how this monster has lived with himself all of these years. How about HIS family – they must know what he did. Cover-up – you bet it is. Nobody needs to name him, because everybody knows who he is. Seems at some point the law would have to step in, but that won’t happen because of a “new” set of politics in Vance County. Our sheriff is a puppet and we all know who pulls his strings.
Comment by Interesting — March 11, 2008 @ 7:59 am
The violent murder of anyone especially a mother of young childern is always a tragedy and an abomination.
With that said, count your blessing that ya’ll are still talking about one from 1977. I grew up in Henderson, but left to go to college. Where I now reside, like may other places in our great nation, unsolved murders are more like a daily event than 1 every 3 decades.
Say prayers for Alice and her family. Give thanks you live in a community where somebody like her can be remembered and cared about 30 years later
AND! quit your speculation, innuendo is a weapon none of you have a right to use. If you know something certain, state it as fact, name names and own up to it. I you’re just “supposing”, quit posing. You’re embarrassing yourself.
And while I’m at it! The “good ol’boy” system is NOT a Henderson exclusive, its just other places have people willing to act, not just sit on their opinions and complain
Comment by onceuponatime — March 11, 2008 @ 2:07 pm
Interesting, you got to be joking. The NEW sheriff, if the last 4 sheriff’s had did their job BR would be in jail now. Boy you got it in for Mr. White don’t you.
Comment by THE REAL DEAL — March 11, 2008 @ 2:52 pm
Truer words were never spoken than what you expressed in your thread.
Yes, we do have crime in our community and maybe more that most towns of our size.
It is not fair to innocent people or their families when others make spectalative comments about who may have killed Alice Burgess, unless they have real knowledge of the crime. Anyone having information as to who commented or participated in the murder, then they should share that knowledge with the SBI and not participate in the rumor mill gossip on HIH. I do hope whoever is responsible for her murder gets the electric chair. And soon.
And as to your comment regarding the “good ol’boys”, thank God we have a few good people in Henderson and Vance County willing to put forth their energy to make something happen for the rest of us!!!
Please post again.
Comment by supporter — March 11, 2008 @ 4:46 pm
I don’t live in Henderson anymore,so I don’t know what is available,but what about posting the reward notice on a billboard sign?Maybe some buisness owners could post it on their signs.
Comment by Joyce Pendergrass Atchison — March 12, 2008 @ 7:21 am
Dear onceuponatime-Iwonder if this were your MOTHER DAUGHTER OR SISTER if would feel the same way about people talking about this.It would have been solved 30 years ago if people had talked.This family deserves to get some justice .Since you grew up in this town i am sure you heard about this case unless you were one of the few that had no intrerst inthe case. Yes I realize that there are many unsolved murders -but don,t you think that if more people talked that mabe there would be less. And by the way if I KNEW OR HAD THE ABILLITY TO HAVE HIM ARRESTED,rest assured i would. So it is my belief and that talking about this case will hopfully aid in the person responsible being brought to justice.Oh and by the way remember how the evidence mysteriously got missing .If that evidence were avilable today today this case would be solved and the man would be in jail today.And remember knowledge is power.
Comment by pearl — March 12, 2008 @ 8:57 am
fyi … Reward $ = $50,000.00!!! tips can be anonymous to any of the following … you may relay \’tips\’, \’info\’, \’leads\’, etc. per any of the following …
… call the SBI @ 1-800-334-3000 … or …
e-mail – - ncwanted@ncwanted.com … or …
homeinhenderson@nc.rr.com … or …
NCEnforcer4u@aol.com … or …
you may write an op/ed piece for your local newspaper simply by clicking … http://www.hendersondispatch.com … then click on the \”Letter to the Editor\” on the left hand side of the page. the screen will appear where you can simply type up your thoughts/article in the comfort of your home at your computer.
thanks to anyone and everyone who attempts to help bring justice to the murderer in this case and a sense of peace to Melissa and Michael. God Bless You.
Comment by jimmy baker — March 13, 2008 @ 4:39 pm
This “well known” man is someone that you would think we could trust! but in the end he’s no good then the people that he puts behind bars. Alice was a great women from what I’ve been told. He had NO right to take God’s work from him. Cuz of him her children walk around everyday not knowing what really happend to their loving mother. When he is found (and he will be) I hope he get the death penalty and is done just like he did her. She didnt deserve to die. He may have goten away with this MURDER for 30 years but God knows who this sick human being is and he WILL lead the police to you and no matter how many connections you may have you will NEVER get away with his. And when you on trail I’ll be there watching you get what you deserve. To #89 ghostman if you really did it you should have been smart enough not to post it on here cuz we can track you & if your not the killer and you think its funny then you need some serious mental help. This case is not funny. Their is a family out there hurting more and more everyday cuz of this haterid crime. If the killer is reading this I HOPE YOU CAN’T SLEEP AT NIGHT AND YOU WALK AROUND YOUR HOUSE WONDERING IF THEY WILL FIND YOU AND EVER POLICE CAR YOU HEAR YOU THINK THEY ARE FOR YOU!!
Comment by Amber — March 15, 2008 @ 9:32 am
Have we heard anything from the police, SBI yet?Maybe some of the tips will lead to an arrest soon.Please continue to support Our family and Thank You All very much for your help and support.
Comment by Joyce Pendergrass Atchison — March 16, 2008 @ 10:40 am
Since the killer has already been cyber-tried and cyber-convicted, let’s just cyber-sentence him and move on to the next cyber-case.
Anyone with REAL information should contact a REAL law enforcement officer. This particular blog line no longer serves any useful purpose.
Comment by Getting Real — March 16, 2008 @ 11:25 am
well said post #463. I have been reading these posts over the past few weeks and this has gotten rediculous!
Comment by garnet — March 16, 2008 @ 2:56 pm
Rediculous yes some of these posts are that. But this is Vance County where there are Nuts a dime a dozen. But there has been some good post also and made a lot of people thank and rethank this case over. Also the Edith Ayscue case frist time ever hearing this case brough up in years. These cases should neaver be put a side again for there familys and others who loved them to relly find out who and what happen .
Comment by rembember also — March 16, 2008 @ 3:59 pm
What date was Edith Ayscue murdered? Where did the murdered occur (address)? Was she acquainted with a man whose last name was Hunt?
Let’s put the puzzle together
Comment by on to something — March 16, 2008 @ 6:20 pm
Edith was killed on Dec. 23, 1970. The moble home where it happen was on the Old Nolina Rd. where Kitchen Ave. runs up to old North Henderson School was. Yes she was.
Comment by rembember also — March 16, 2008 @ 7:41 pm
I see that some people seem to feel that we should stop talking so much about this case. Well if the police had done their job 30 years ago we woulden have to . I would like to know if br was ever questioned.The fact remains that two women who were involved with this man were both murdered and both cases are unsolved.I just can,t understand why this man is not being investigated.Hopeing this case and the other one Edith,s also will be solved soon.
Comment by pearl — March 16, 2008 @ 10:34 pm
Oh and by the way this man in question was married and also a respected attorney in this town. That sounds to me like motive. So lets see this was a married man runing around on his wife so he could have lost family and his standing in the comminty.Seems to me he had alot to loose.IE MOTIVE.
Comment by pearl — March 16, 2008 @ 10:48 pm
#467 rememberalso
The man I’m referring to in my post # 466 was convicted of a murder that took place on Feb.26, 1979 in Vance County. He was previously charged with assault on a female Jan. 1978 and released April 1978. He had many, many other convictions before being charged with the murder of 2/26/’79 and sentenced in 1980.
Comment by on to something — March 17, 2008 @ 9:02 am
On to something, Its the same Man. IT was talk on the streets around that when he was in jail for the 1979 murder he was question abouth Edith death. This might not be so. Ithank you know that street talk can be nothing or it can be right on the money. I know he broke jail sometime after this talk got going around. He was later brough back to Vance County to stand trial .
Comment by rembember also — March 17, 2008 @ 6:26 pm
Someone should check out the new detective that is investigating this case. It is hard to investigate something when you are sitting at the same dinner table.
Comment by hellon highheels — March 17, 2008 @ 6:29 pm
I heard today on towntalk that there was a person from the FBI in town last tuesday. Could this be possible?.I hope so .I pray the burgess family will have an answer soon.I truly believe this case is going to have to be solved by someone from out of this town.
Comment by pearl — March 17, 2008 @ 10:21 pm
Does anyone know the name of JC’s personal banker?
Maybe JC and this person should be investigated by the SBI/FBI and then he truth may come out as to what happened to the evidence in Alice Burgess’s murder trial.
What a convenient repayment plan!
Comment by on to something — March 18, 2008 @ 11:20 am
http://www.ncwanted.com/unsolved/story/2563880/
Comment by Owens — March 20, 2008 @ 6:30 am
How would someone go about getting a transcript of the murder trial of Alice’s? I would like to read some of the testimony of a few witness and the detectives questions asked!!!. I truly believe there is someone lurking about with the knowledge of what happened that dreary night. I also believe this person has been interview by law enforcement.
Comment by Scotland yard — March 20, 2008 @ 12:49 pm
Hey Scotland yard, that sounds like a great idea.I am also sure that some one who knowes the truth was questioned. The problem is with the coverup by the police department who could believe anything they said or reported.I truly hope that either the SBI or the FBI will get involved with this case. I don,t believe the family will ever get the truth of what happened to their mother unless some law inforcement from out of town gets involved. Hopeing to hear some good news soon.
Comment by pearl — March 20, 2008 @ 9:41 pm
Pearl SBI has been involved.They were on the Most Wanted program.
Comment by Joyce Pendergrass Atchison — March 21, 2008 @ 10:19 am
I understand that they were involved with the nc most wanted show. Now with that being said i don,t understand why the case is still unsolved.Does any one know if this person has been guestioned about this crime i just bet if it were you or me who was a suspect we would be in jail. Maybe things are going on that i am unaware of i hope so. Hopeing the family will have some answers soon.
Comment by pearl — March 21, 2008 @ 12:52 pm
I believe I have information regarding Alice’s murder that could shed light on several suspects that may have been involved in the case. The information I have been privileged to is what I consider “substantial”. With all the hype surrounding this case and personally knowing some of the suspects in the case, at first I was very reluctant to contact local law enforcement knowing my name may get back to these individuals.
This case kept dwelling on my mind and after holding this information inside for about three weeks, I decide to contact the SBI and share the information. When I called the office of the SBI, I was placed on hold while the operator attempted to locate an agent familiar with Alice Burgess’s case. When the operator at the SBI office answered the phone, I explained to her my reason for calling. After being placed on hold for about 10 minutes and not speaking with an agent, I hung up. I felt that I may get a call back since the SBI surly has ways of tracing my phone number through their switchboard. I never received a call back from the Office of the SBI. Several days passed and I decided to contact our sheriff and share my information with him. Contact was make with the sheriff himself and I explained to him that I did not feel comfortable being seen at his office, but I would meet him at my home or somewhere neither of us were known. That was four weeks ago and no follow up from the sheriff as of today!
After sticking my neck out in hopes of possibly helping solve this case, I feel like no one really cares if the case is solved or not. What steps should I take next? Which law enforcement office is actually handling this case?
Comment by wanting to help — March 22, 2008 @ 4:40 pm
wanting to help, why would you be uncomfortable meeting with the sheriff? You could be going there for any matter and it would attract less attention than having him visit you at home. If you truly have information, quit being a nervous nellie about it. Contact the family if nothing else. Fear is going to be the demise of us as free people.
Comment by Stranger — March 22, 2008 @ 5:22 pm
#480 Sit tight we will get in touch and let you know what to do.
Comment by Joyce Pendergrass Atchison — March 22, 2008 @ 5:41 pm
#480 Look at #246 I believe it will give you the correct contact information,or send email to NCEnforcer4u@aol.com
Comment by Joyce Pendergrass Atchison — March 22, 2008 @ 5:51 pm
#480 (Wanting to help) – Please don’t give up. You’ve come this far! I hate it that the SBI and the Sheriff let you down, but don’t give up. Use the contact information that we all were given.
e-mail – - ncwanted@ncwanted.com … or …
homeinhenderson@nc.rr.com … or …
NCEnforcer4u@aol.com.
Hopefully any of those email addresses will help you get your information into the RIGHT hands.
Good Luck and God Bless you for doing the RIGHT THING.
Comment by Sheba — March 22, 2008 @ 6:44 pm
#480 You can contact me at NCEnforcer4u@aol.com. If you will send me your phone number. I will call you ASAP to discuss. We appreciate any information that you may have.
Thanks,
Melissa Baker
Comment by Melissa Baker — March 22, 2008 @ 7:37 pm
#480 – wanting to help — if you’re for dang real, do everyone a favor and do NOT go to the local boys, way too much crap can go wrong in that ruckus of Vance county law enforcement; know what i mean??? do us all a favor, and specially them kids. they been a’waitin’ more than 30 doggone years to learn the truth of who stole their momma from them. contact Melissa at that e-mail. i bleive she can get ya to the right person. God bless ya if’n you’re the one that can get this thing a movin’!
Comment by wyatt earp — March 22, 2008 @ 7:50 pm
#480 – “wanting to help” … if you’ll contact Melissa at the e-mail address above ( NCEnforcer4u@aol.com ), i’m confident we can coordinate a way for you to speak w/ the SBI agent in charge of this case. we can even plan a day/evening to meet for lunch/dinner in person with you, her brother (Michael), and the SBI agent Teresa West so we can let you share this information that you have. please know that we’ll do whatever it takes to see to it that you can share this info. please e-mail us at the above e-mail.
sincerely,
jimmy baker
Comment by jimmy baker — March 22, 2008 @ 7:55 pm
I AM SO HAPPY TO SEE SOMEONE WILLING TO COME FORWARD WITH SOME INFORMATION ON ALICES CASE. THANKS POST480.I PRAY THIS WILL BRING SOME ANSWERS. IWAS NOT SURPRISED TO HEAR ABOUT THE MANNER IN WHICH THE POLICE TREATED YOU . THAT HAS BEEN THE CASE ALL ALONG. I WOULD ASK YOU TO KEEP TRYING TO TELL WHAT YOU KNOW. I AM SURE THE FAMILY WOULD BE GRATEFUL.
Comment by pearl — March 22, 2008 @ 8:23 pm
I think we all should say a silent prayer that #480 has the info we need.30 years,we have waited.Now we want justice!
Comment by Joyce Pendergrass Atchison — March 22, 2008 @ 9:38 pm
#480 – there are many, many that care, and for this family, especially the children that were left without their mother 30 years ago, you are a true blessing. Take your information to the highest authority that you can – there are links on here. Thank you from one who cares.
Comment by Interesting — March 23, 2008 @ 6:13 am
fyi … fyi … Reward $ = $50,000.00!!! tips can be anonymous to any of the following … you may relay \’tips\’, \’info\’, \’leads\’, etc. per any of the following …
… call the SBI @ 1-800-334-3000 … or …
e-mail – - ncwanted@ncwanted.com … or …
homeinhenderson@nc.rr.com … or …
NCEnforcer4u@aol.com … or …
you may write an op/ed piece for your local newspaper simply by clicking … http://www.hendersondispatch.com … then click on the \”Letter to the Editor\” on the left hand side of the page. the screen will appear where you can simply type up your thoughts/article in the comfort of your home at your computer.
thanks to anyone and everyone who attempts to help bring justice to the murderer in this case and a sense of peace to Melissa and Michael. God Bless You.
Comment by jimmy baker — March 23, 2008 @ 2:14 pm
Does anyone know if #480 has contacted the family or authorities? I sure hope so, they need to get this thing brought to a head.
Comment by Sheba — March 24, 2008 @ 6:37 am
Yes, contact has been made with the family and they are contacting the SBI. In return, the SBI will contact me today.
Comment by wanting to help — March 24, 2008 @ 7:57 am
Wanting to Help – this is GREAT news! Thank you for coming forward. Maybe this is just the missing part that will bring the murderer to justice – I sure do hope so. Thank you, thank you.
Comment by Interesting — March 24, 2008 @ 9:41 am
I am so glad that someone is finally willing to come forward and shed some light on this case. I hope and pray that this information will bring the murderer to justice and give the burgess family and friends the answers they need to all their questions. It has been 30 years of waiting, wondering, and anger for these children and I hope that they will finally be able to rest a little better once this murderer is brought to justice. Nothing will ever be able to replace their mother or take away the pain that they have had to feel and will continue to feel due to her untimely and horrible death but hopefully some of their questions will be answered. Michael and Melissa you will continue to be in my prayers and I wish you the best of luck with this and with the rest of your lives.
Comment by wondering mind — March 24, 2008 @ 7:53 pm
No one should get their hopes up for #480.
#480 claims to hold “substantial” information on a murder for over 30 years, yet complains that 10 MINUTES on telephone hold caused them to hang up the phone with no message left.
It’s probably true, but so unfortunately sad as well.
Comment by Don't Get Your Hopes Up — March 24, 2008 @ 9:23 pm
Dear post 480 don,t let any one stop you from telling what you know about this case.We all will be judged one day by the ALL MIGHTY GOD.he is the only one you have to be concerened with.Only you know what imformation you have.God bless you and your family for coming forward.And to don,t get your hopes up where would we all be with out hope. This would be a sad sad world to live in .I have faith that case will be solved. Looking forward to hearing some good news soon. God bless everyone who has been trying to help this family find justice for thier mother.
Comment by pearl — March 25, 2008 @ 8:30 am
To: Don’t Get Your Hopes Up
What little information I have contributed towards solving this case is a lot more that you have offered. Your negative comment about me doesn’t bug me in the least.
We all need to support this family in their endeavor. We need to encourage others having information regarding this case to come forward , not make negative comments about what they know or how they go about getting the information to law enforcement. Again, I have shared my information to those that count.
Is it possible that you are one of those individuals who are holding back information? If not, just keep your negative thoughts to yourself!
Comment by Wanting to help — March 25, 2008 @ 11:11 am
The sheriff office is a joke. They have a tall skinny woman that is in the front office. She is a nasty, arrogant woman that talk to people like crap. I have been in that office on 4 occassions and she has been the same way each time. How can the sheriff have someone like that in the front office with that kind of attitude. That says a lot about him..she must be a relative or something. Several people have said the same thing about this person. She will sit there for a while before coming to the window, and then when she comes to assist, she has the worst attitude to be in anyone front office. It seems like the Sheriff keeps an evil face eveytime you see him. They should call the office ” The evil White Office” Next time I come in that office and this hateful gal get nasty, I will call her out. I don’t think the sheriff care about the murder case..he seems not to care about anything concerning being a sheriff
Comment by no hope — March 25, 2008 @ 1:03 pm
I voted for the sheriff, and I realize that was a mistake. I thought he was the sheriff that we needed to combat the crime in the county…but the only thing I can see is that he is lazy, barely shows his face in the commun ity, and when you do see him he looks so miserable. I also visited the sheriff office a couple of time, and I know what girl #499 is talking about. She is nasty and rude, I don’t know why she is there if she don’t want to get up and serve the public with a smile and a decent attitude. I agree she must be a relative or ?????? because there is no way she can treat the public like dirt, and he don’t know about it, unless the sheriff thinks its okay becuase he is the same way. The only thing I can see is that the sheriff only wanted the job to seat easy collecting his retirement, while collecting a real nice salary from the county. My vote will change at the next election. We need someone that care about the people, not someone that protects his own regardless if they are in the wrong. It would be nice if he takes his daughter, niece, lover, friend, whomever she is and put her in the back until she can greet the public without an attitude.
Comment by BIG MIISTAKE — March 25, 2008 @ 1:49 pm
For goodness sakes “Wanting to help”, if you have useful information, then get off your computer and call the Sheriff’s Department or SBI (and see if you can last more than a few minutes on “hold” this time!).
(At least tell “pearl” your gems of knowledge, as she is just about ready to go over the edge!)
Comment by Don’t Get Your Hopes Up — March 25, 2008 @ 1:51 pm
no hope, those of us at the office say the same thing about YOU! You have been in on 4 occassions and have been the same way each time – Nasty & Arrogant!
How’s that for a call out?
Comment by Nasty Arrogant Tall Skinny Woman — March 25, 2008 @ 1:55 pm
# 502 it must be you at the sheriff office writing this. This sounds just like you, and something you would do. You are making it bad for the sheriff office. With your evil nasty ways. Why don’t you grow up and learn how to treat people. If the sheriif take a poll and ask how many people were treated like dirt by you “the skinny tall lady” I believe there will be many people saying the same thing. You are very nasty. You talk to people like sh#t. You must be a very miserable person. Put a smile on your face, tone doen your voice, give some respect, and love yourself. Don’t get mad…change for the best. The sheriff said he wants change…He should start with you.
Comment by BIG MIISTAKE — March 25, 2008 @ 2:13 pm
Wow # 502.If you are the gal in the sheriff office that wrote the post, I see what people are talking about. You should be on the computer doing job related things, not reading post and answering. I know there are things you could be doing in the office. Stop wasting the tax payee’s money and WORK. I guess the post must of hit a nerve. Don’t get mad, do something about it and change. Don’t be an insult to the department or your boss…be a helper, not a hinder…People are going to talk, but let it be lies, not the truth. Take this as a learning experience, and be a better person
Comment by Wow — March 25, 2008 @ 2:29 pm
Is this blog about finding a killer,or What?The main purpose here is to find the killer of Alice Burgess.
Comment by Joyce Pendergrass Atchison — March 25, 2008 @ 8:19 pm
Thank you, Joyce! I was just sitting here thinking the exact same thing. Geez!
Finally someone knows something and is willing to tell it. Let’s hope the SBI will get the ball rolling now. Thank you “Wanting to Help”.
Comment by Sheba — March 25, 2008 @ 9:19 pm
To don,t get your hopes up.I was getting ready to turn in for tonight but decided to check and see if there was any news yet and saw your comment. First of all I am far from the edge. It seems to me that you are , .any one who could be so bitter about people trying to offer help and or compassion to a family dealing with a murdered family member is unbeliveable. But i will not judge you instead i will add you to my prayers tonight, right after i pray for ALICES FAMILY. Good night every one hope to hear some good news soon.
Comment by pearl — March 25, 2008 @ 10:30 pm
Responding to: Don’t Get Your Hopes Up
Did you get up yesterday morning and take two dump pills or did you take the entire bottle?
If you can’t interrupt what I meant in my posting # 498 in which I stated and I will re-quote for you, “again, I have shared my information with those that count”. If you don’t get it this time then the dumb pills you took yesterday morning were successful. I suggest you find some tinker toys to play with.
Comment by Wanting to help — March 26, 2008 @ 6:32 am
Wanting to Help…. What do you mean by, “If you can’t interrupt what I meant…”? How can anyone “interrupt” what you mean? (Or perhaps you should have typed “interpret”?)
Comment by ESL — March 26, 2008 @ 9:33 am
The salient point here is that this blog line (over 500 posts now) has created an abundance of rumors and innuendo, all of which provide no appreciable help at all in finding the killer. In fact, following up on vague and unsubstantiated accusations in a case as void of substantive evidence as this, can make the job of investigators even harder. Sorting through the haystack of “bull” to find a needle of truth is difficult.
I wish that the killer could be arrested. I wish Ms. Burgess’ family did not have to endure the perpetual pain of an unsolved death. Sometimes, I wish that I was not so realistic about facts, but I am admittedly not optimistic by nature. I will post no further on this topic, and hope that the outcome is better than I expect it will be.
PS- Pearl, I know you are a caring person. Thanks for your prayers.
Comment by Don’t Get Your Hopes Up — March 26, 2008 @ 9:38 am
Does anyone know if the Vance County sheriff has commented on this investigation?
Comment by Joyce Pendergrass Atchison — March 28, 2008 @ 7:41 am
It seems both, the present sheriff’s department and Daily Dispatch, are guilty of cover-ups. Maybe they know more than they want us to know.
Comment by outside looking in — March 31, 2008 @ 1:33 pm
Seems the good Sheriff has problems of his own trying to give HUGE favors to his own daughter who should have gone to jail on Easter night for driving the wrong way, careless and reckless, probably drunk, on US 1. She was not even given a sobriety test!
PS I don’t think Peter White comments on anything. If he doesn’t say anything, he doesn’t have to remember what he said.
Comment by Interesting — March 31, 2008 @ 1:41 pm
Well here we are about to enter another month and still no arrest in ALICES murder.I continue to pray every night that there will be some answers for the family and friends of alice. Has any one heard if any one has been questioned? This is just an idea how about someone maybe her family organize a prayer vigile , hope that is spelled right ,to keep this in the news. They could have it at the seen of the murder. I understand that would be painful for them but it would keep in the lime light.
Comment by pearl — March 31, 2008 @ 9:04 pm
Comment #499 I have to agree with you, have you been to the Police Department lately? That is also a joke. The elderly lady that works at the Police Department’s front desk is also very rude. I have been there on 5 different occassions to talk to a detective about my case, and she never smiles and she always rude. She acts like it just about kills her to help anyone, and most of the time that I went in there she was reading some kind of magazine and she didn’t want to put it down. So I guess the Sheriff’s department and the Police Department have two employees that are about the same, and it seems the Sheriff nor the Chief could care less.
As for the Burgess family, I really hope that Alice’s killer is found.
Comment by Can't get any good help — April 1, 2008 @ 8:22 pm
All it takes is one person who knows something to say something. Just one person. Someone knows something that would likely crack the case. Perhaps they are afraid, and rightfully so, but there comes a time when the right thing, the truth, has got to be carried out. It only takes one person.
Comment by innocent_1 — April 2, 2008 @ 12:16 am
Today’s Dispatch has an article on the front page concerning this horrible, unsolved murder. I am hopeing & praying the the quilty party will be arrested & charged soon no matter how old they are now, they should spend the rest of their life in prison.
I have always wondered what happened to Jerry White. I do to this day. As far as I am concerned this is another totally unsolved case that left a wife & small children to make it on their own without answers.
May God bless everyone who has to go through this type thing & every hardship that this life can bring upon a family. When something bad happens it hurts so many people very deeply & it is so sad. You are all in my prayers.
Comment by gracie rags — April 3, 2008 @ 7:34 am
Well, it appears that even though some people would have preferred that you stop discussing this case and have done what they can to downplay what has been accomplished through this blog they were not successful. The reward is up to 50K and the article ran on the front page of the Dispatch and it is all because of this blog and the people on here who care. Hows that for not accomplishing anything?
It certainly makes one wonder why you are trying so hard to drive people away from this story and squelch information and breakdown any cooperation. hmmmmmm…….I wonder why that could be???
Comment by Chia — April 3, 2008 @ 8:31 am
To All Readers:
This morning I sent the Henderson Mayor an email suggesting that the City of Henderson increase the reward money,since the murder happened there,the sheriff botched the case,and the evidence disappeared.I personally think the city and the county owe the Burgess family.I encourage each of you to send an email to the Mayot and/or the city council members.
I was glad to read the article in the Dispatch today.Let’s keep this alive and catch the killer!!!
Comment by Joyce Pendergrass Atchison — April 3, 2008 @ 9:54 am
I hope they catch the killer, but the murder did not happen in the City. It was several miles out in the county in a remote location. It is entirely a Vance County case.
Comment by Point of Order — April 3, 2008 @ 10:08 am
I am aware where the murder happened.The evidence was located in the city limits along with the sheriffs department.I shall forward the info to the county also.Would you email the city/county also?
Comment by Joyce Pendergrass Atchison — April 3, 2008 @ 10:35 am
I have now sent a email to the Chairman and Vice Chairman of the Vance ounty Commissioners.I will let you know if and when I get a reply.
Comment by Joyce Pendergrass Atchison — April 3, 2008 @ 11:29 am
I was glad to see the paper on Thursday morning too. It would seem that the family is making some progress in this 30 year old murder mystery after all, dispite the authorities not doing their jobs.
I understand that the person who wrote a week or so ago on HiH and had some information STILL has not been contacted by the SBI to get the information. He/she has been in contact with the family and is waiting for the SBI to call. I think this is ridiculous. This person should have been contacted immediately! What are they waiting for?
Comment by Sheba — April 4, 2008 @ 5:42 am
I finally got the flyers today to be distributed if anyone is willing to help. Please email me at NCEnforcer4u@aol.com if you would like to help.
Thanks,
Melissa Baker
Comment by Melissa Baker — April 4, 2008 @ 4:21 pm
Ms. Atchison, I suppose it wouldn’t hurt to ask the City to contribute to the reward. I was just pointing out that nothing in this case involved City officials, since it was entirely a Sheriff’s Dept.- SBI case.
Comment by Point of Order — April 5, 2008 @ 7:04 am
It was my understanding the case was being investigated by the “cold case” investigator–? Perhaps he/she was redirected for a current case–is that a possibility. I agree–it shouldn’t take that long to at least acknowledge the caller.
Comment by north star — April 5, 2008 @ 7:54 am
I know the real person who found her body, it was not a hunter like the paper stated. It was a Vance Co. Deputy back in 1977 who found her body on that cold November night all by himself. I am also aware of the person every one has accused of the crime. But, I have heard many different scenario’s concerning who committed the crime and I just don’t know what to believe! I do know the man who found her body for sure and I would think the investigators would like to ask that past deputy what he knows because it might open one door they need to find the killer. I did contact an Investigator for the present Sheriff’s Dept. but he stated me that some of the files were either lost or misplaced and the person I had told him who really found Alice was not even mention. Hmm… Make’s a person think, doesn’t it? All this during Bobby Hamm’s turn as Sheriff!!
Comment by paleface — April 5, 2008 @ 9:02 am
“I am aware where the murder happened.The evidence was located in the city limits along with the sheriffs department.”
Will someone please tell me where this was supposed to have happen in the City.
Comment by Wondering — April 5, 2008 @ 10:32 am
Out of curiosity, why was it mentioned on TV that it was in the Bobbitt community
Comment by mystery10 — April 5, 2008 @ 3:56 pm
She was found in the field on the corner of Kerr-Vance Academy Road and Old County Home Rd. The old buildings are still erect at the place of the crime, but slightly covered up by some weeds and trees. Nothing to see! If you wonder which corner, it is at the end of KVA Rd. on left just before turning left onto Old Co. Home Rd.
Comment by paleface — April 6, 2008 @ 1:40 am
Oh and by the way the murder sene is 2 miles or less from the suspect every one is talkng about BR. You could get to his house in less than 5 minutes. Just a little more imformation for you all to ponder. This is fact not fiction.
Comment by pearl — April 6, 2008 @ 12:22 pm
would take me more than five minutes to do a mile/ then again, depends on how motivated i was
Comment by huffy/puffy — April 6, 2008 @ 1:00 pm
Paleface #527: I believe that Linwood Falkner was the Sheriff in 1977 when this happened, and Bobby Hamm took office in late 1978. (It was 30 years ago, so someone please correct me if I’m wrong.)
Comment by As I Recall — April 6, 2008 @ 1:26 pm
Post 528….I am supposing the the comment that “The evidence was located in the city limits along with the sheriffs department.” just implies that the County Courthouse / Sheriff’s Department structure is inside the City. Some evidence was misplaced-lost there over the years, but I don’t think the City is involved in any way.
Comment by Charlie Brown — April 6, 2008 @ 1:40 pm
Yeah, you are correct! Linwood Falkner was the Sheriff and Bobby Hamm was a deputy. Falkner had Bobby Hamm flying allover top of the lake looking for Alice’s car. I recant my statement about who the Sheriff was, it has been 30yrs…
Comment by paleface — April 7, 2008 @ 6:38 am
I believe that Sheriff Falkner was going out and Bobby Hamm was coming in as Sheriff (correct me IF I am wrong).
#529 – I believe they said Alice lived in the Bobbitt community, not killed there.
Comment by Sheba — April 7, 2008 @ 5:04 pm
Who did it? If you know something, cut your losses, step forward and do the right thing? The killer is too old to retaliate. He is weak. What are you afraid of? What if, you die tomorrow, make it to the pearly gates and someone asks you to stand in judgment of yourself? Would you stand tall or tuck your head like a bashful little kid who just got caught stealing by his favorite grandmother? Maybe your biggest sin would be telling a little white lie. Or could it be that you drank, laughed, cursed with a buddy after he committed such a heinous murder. Maybe you even helped conceal or clean up the crime. Damn! I would hate to be in your shoes. If you don’t want to do it for salvation, do it for the money. If the killer offers more than $50,000.00 for your silence, do it for a clear conscience and to stand tall. Don’t tuck your tail like a vile little monkey and stare at your feet. Be strong and face your demons. Don’t let a weak little man control your destiny. OZZY RULES!!!!!
Comment by cock-a-doodle-doo — April 8, 2008 @ 7:29 pm
Six days since I emailed the City Council and The Vance County Commissioners,in hopes they would add to the reward.I have not received a reply and now I don ‘t expect that I will.I guess the politicians in Henderson and Vance County don’t care if the killer is caught.I suppose they do not answer their emails.I am a little surprised at Danny Wright, but then again, I guess I shouldn’t be.Politicians are what they are!!!
Comment by Joyce Pendergrass Atchison — April 9, 2008 @ 11:14 am
I just sent a letter to the editor of the Dispatch.I still think we should load up the fax machines and emails of every official and let them know that A KILLER WALKS THE STREETS OF HENDERSON and we will not give up until he is convicted!
Comment by Joyce Pendergrass Atchison — April 9, 2008 @ 12:07 pm
Whoa right there. I personally do not want one dollar of my hard earned tax dollars going to this absolutely personal non-public purpose. So the cold shoulder from the city and county officials was the correct response to your request.
I have read through this long sting and have concluded as others have that in all reality the killer or killers may never be identified because any existing factual evidence has been so tarnished by rumor, innuendos, speculation, and hearsay as to be useless in any valid court.
Your personal vendetta against “a certain prominent person” is tiring. You are blind to the pool of all possible suspects, including the real potential that the actual killer was tried and acquitted many years ago. One must ask, was that acquittal because there was a communal vendetta against an innocent person that allowed the truly guilty to be acquitted.
Hate is blinding, truth is freeing. Hate takes effort, truth gives energy.
Comment by Out in Left Field — April 9, 2008 @ 5:16 pm
To #540 (Out in Left Field) and that is just what you are!
Your hard earned tax dollars will not be affected UNLESS the killer is tried and convicted. In which case the money will be well spent and you will/should be glad that a murderer is off the streets of Henderson, NC.
As far as a personal vendetta, I don’t know of any. But everyone knows who had motive and opportunity. He’s already admitted it to one person (as was told on NC Wanted), but circumstances has prevented anything being done about that.
The “cold shoulder” is NOT how intelligent business people that work for the County or City handle things. There should always be a kind reply letter regardless of the content.
Since this blog is “tiring” to you I suggest you not long on anymore to this particular story.
Comment by Sheba — April 9, 2008 @ 6:14 pm
#540 We the family and friends are not drivem by hate.We simply want justice!Do you have objections to your tax dollars being spent on illegals and those that are able to work and just don’t want to work?Sheba was right,Elected officials should be “educated ” enough to reply to a written request.Maybe you like those people for your local government.I still think it would be a nice jesture for the city/county to at least offer to help get a killer off the streets.Our family will not quit until WE get this killer!!!#540 just sign off,We don’t need people like you!
Comment by Joyce Pendergrass Atchison — April 9, 2008 @ 6:43 pm
Out in Left Field – Wow! For someone who is so tired, you sure did exert a lot of energy writing an obviously anger driven posting. You should take a rest from this blog. Maybe take a nap. Anger is blinding. Anger takes effort. I don’t think anyone from the family would want anything from you or your tax dollars. Maybe we all should just forget about justice. Let everyone live free, not responsible, never judged. Hell, let’s all move to Hollywood, have our faces done in shriek fashion and just have fun, fun, fun. I don’t think the family ever said that it was just one suspect, in fact, there are several. But the problem with the prominent person you seem to be defending is that everyone seems to shy away from him. Do realize he is still a suspect in a major way.
Comment by cock-a-doodle-doo — April 9, 2008 @ 8:17 pm
OUT IN LEFT FIELD- I SEE THAT YOU ARE PRETTY DARN ANGRY AND FEEL THAT MOST OF THE PEOPLE ON THIS BLOG HAVE A PERSONAL VENDETTA AGAINST BR . THE TRUTH IS WE BELIEVE HE IS GUILTY OF ONE, POSSIBLEY TWO MURDERS IN OUR TOWN. THE FACT THAT HE IS A PROMMENT MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY MAKES NO DIFFERANCE I AND I FEEL SURE THE REST OF THE PEOPLE WRITING ON THIS BLOG WOULD FEEL THE SAME WAY NO MATTER WHO THE PERSON WAS. THIS FAMILY DESERVES JUSTICE.
Comment by pearl — April 9, 2008 @ 9:43 pm
Sheba, the Murder was in 1977. The Sheriff was the late L.B. Faulkner and Chief Deputy was Bobby Hamm. Hamm became Sheriff in late 1978.
Comment by Best Recollection — April 9, 2008 @ 10:14 pm
I’ve seen some of the Reward flyers showing up at different businesses. This is great! Hopefully these flyers will refresh someone’s memory!!!
If you have a business and would like to display a flyer for the family you should let them know. I think you can contact them at homeinhenderson@nc.rr.com or at NCEnforcer4u@aol.com.
Comment by Big Daddy — April 9, 2008 @ 10:40 pm
What’s going on (or not going on) here? Where is everyone? Have the non family members given up this search? It seems this blog has completely stopped. Nothing in 9 days? The flyers have been distributed, I too am seeing them every where. Has the talking stopped? Where is the help we need to catch this murder?
Comment by Sheba — April 18, 2008 @ 5:16 am
#540 – I think my hard earned tax dollars are better spent catching murderers rather than supporting them with entitlement payments. So no matter how long ago the crime was committed, the murderer hopefully will be caught, and soon.
Comment by curious — April 18, 2008 @ 5:46 am
Sheba. I’ve stayed out of it as much as possible because I have nothing of value to add to the search for answers on this thread. I do hope, however, that closure of some type will take place as soon as possible. Thirty years is a long time and some have formed opinions that there may be no answers whatsoever in this particular case. I’ve talked to and heard conversations “through the grape vine” of people feeling sorry for the families of all the Unsolved Cases in our community. I hope for the best and expect the worst. That much life has already taught me. Stay the course until “their hearts are content”. Such a tragedy and a reality a lot of us have to live with everyday. Thanks to all who have worked on this case. May you receive a special blessing for your endeavors. We (all) need more good examples of good faith and perseverance.
Comment by Shadow Dancer — April 18, 2008 @ 7:47 am
I HAVE BEEN CHECKING EVERY DAY FOR SOME NEWS.I CONTINUE TO PRAY EVERY NIGHT FOR AN ARREST IN THIS CASE. I WOULD ASK IF ANYONE KNOWS OF ANY THING GOING ON IN THIS CASE TO PLEASE POST IT.I AM SURE THAT THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE CHECKING THIS SITE FOR ANY NEWS . THANKS PEARL
Comment by pearl — April 18, 2008 @ 8:44 am
My,My.My…..How’s that heat in the kitchen BR??? What a SCUMBAG! EVERYONE in this town knows the truth.So sad that a drunk,coke addicted attorney has been able to escape justice for this long! It’s obvious that hush money has kept him a free man all these years.The powers that be in Vance Co. have been grossly corrupt for years!It all comes back to the mighty dollar.You got,you go free.I’m sure thats no new revelation to anyone.I put his fellow attorney(JH)in the same corrupt boat.Another drunk/coke head.These 2 have been screwing the tax paying citizens of Vance Co. for too long!It sounds like it may be time to pay the piper.Whoever helped (BR)cover up this MURDER…it’s on your heads also! Look in the mirror.Hope you sleep well tonight!
Comment by Tarheel Blue — April 20, 2008 @ 8:10 pm
DOES ANY ONE HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON WHAT IS GOING ON WITH ALICE,S CASE? EVERY THING HAS BEEN SO QUIET LATELY I HOPE IT IS PROGRESSING THE CASE I MEAN. IF ANY ONE HAS ANY IMFORMATION PLEASE POST IT. I CONTINUE TO PRAY THAT THIS FAMILY WILL GET CLOSEURE SOON.
Comment by pearl — April 24, 2008 @ 7:30 am
it seems that investigators are working the case diligently and are progressing as well with new tips, new suspects, etc. local law enforcement and state level law enforcement seem to be taking great caution with their efforts this time. very promising. keep your prayers alive pearl. thank you for your hopes and prayers.
Comment by billy the rooster — April 24, 2008 @ 1:23 pm
551 ?? JH?? Is H the last or middle name?
Comment by Interesting — April 24, 2008 @ 1:59 pm
Interesting, I’m pretty sure #551 meant the
“H” as a LAST name.
Comment by tall4aday — April 25, 2008 @ 2:46 pm
YOU KNOW I HAVE HEARD SO MANY THINGS, AND BY THINGS I MEAN BAD THINGS ABOUT SO MANY ATTORNEYS AND LAW OFFICIALS IN THIS TOWN IT IS UNBELIEVEABLE. WHAT I CAN,T UNDERSTAND IS WHY THESE PEOPLE DON,T COME FOWARD WITH WHAT THEY KNOW. I UNDERSTAND THEY CANNOT TRUST OUR OFFICALS BUT I BELIEVE IF ENOUGH PEOPLE COMPLAINED TO THE SBI THEY WOULD HAVE TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT IS GOING ON IN THIS TOWN. THINGS ARE NEVER GOING TO GET BETTER HERE UNLESS PEOPLE START DEMANDING HONESTY FROM OUR OFFICALS. THESE PEOPLE I AM TALKING ABOUT THESE ATTORNEYS POLICEMEN, SHERIFF,S DEPARTMENT THINK THEY ARE GETTIN BY WITH WHAT THEY ARE DOING ,BUT EVERY ONE OF THEM IS BEING TALKED ABOUT BY SOME ONE THEY HAVE BEEN ENVOLVED WITH. JUST LIKE THE SUSPECT IN ALICE,S MURDER. I CONTINUE TO PRAY FOR THE FAMILY TO HAVE CLOSEURE SOON. I AM ALSO PRAYING FOR OUR TOWN.
Comment by pearl — April 26, 2008 @ 10:02 pm
Does anyone know how the investigation is coming along?Somebody should be doing time.Was both husbands investigated?
Comment by prettyface — April 30, 2008 @ 10:06 am
I know Bobby was questioned,and absolutely not a suspect.I don’t believe they talked to the second husband because there was no reason to question him.He was never a suspect.Correct me if I am wrong.I believe we will eventually catch the real killer.People are talking,I am sure!
Comment by Joyce Pendergrass Atchison — April 30, 2008 @ 10:39 am
and I will pray for Pearl, as it must be just awful to live in that town where every public employee is corrupt and conspiring against she and her friends.
Comment by Obamalama — April 30, 2008 @ 11:15 am
Yes, both husbands were investigated. Why don’t you use your pretty eyes to read all about it on the links provided? Whether or not the murderer is found, he will have to face his death and conscience and will never ascend to life again. Dust to dust, ashes to ashes.
The answers the family needs may never be found, sadly, but because of this great grief they have learned to be strong and live as if their mother is watching. Sometimes what we don’t have makes us more determined to make the most of our lives; out of our great love and honor for our missing mother.
Those who withhold the truth from the family will suffer for their silence.
Comment by Spectator — April 30, 2008 @ 1:23 pm
Anything new?
Comment by any progress? — May 20, 2008 @ 6:26 pm
they are working leads. family members are patient for the moment. i wish more people would come forward. this person has been living in the community for years and has spoken with someone. how do we get to that someone? help.
Comment by cock-a-doodle-doo — May 21, 2008 @ 9:31 pm
I am in grade nine and my forensics class I seriously don’t know what this is about. DANG a girl got killed .
Comment by Kwynn — May 23, 2008 @ 3:51 pm
#563 — She was a 28 year old mother of 3. The children were ages 7, 9 and 10. She was brutally murdered November 29, 1977 by someone she knew. Her kid’s lives were forever changed. But their loss was only one, while her loss was 3. Her youngest child died at age 16 without a mother’s love to hold her while she slowly drifted away as her lungs filled with fluid. The problem with this case is that she had friends that seemed to have died with her on that fatal evening. It is sad that her seemingly close buddies weren’t that close after all. Someone knew and knows something. I hope your future is much more prosperous.
Comment by cock-a-doodle-doo — May 23, 2008 @ 8:21 pm
The show will be aired again this weekend on Fox 50 at 10:30pm. Please get the word out to help bring closure.
Comment by Dana Burgess — June 7, 2008 @ 6:50 am
If “BR” wants to clear his name why doesnt he submit to a polygraph test? Come on BR, are you getting a little hot? How much did you pay to dispose of the evidence?
BR, How do you sleep at night? I challenge you BR…if you are innocent, then take a voluntary polygraph? I would think that if you are innocent and being accused by so many, then why wouldnt you want to do this??
It is funny how the evidence “disappeared” right around the time of DNA testing becoming available in 1989. BR, do you think people are that dumb? come on!! Take a polygraph.
Comment by glad to be out of h-town — June 9, 2008 @ 2:43 pm
TO ALICE’S FAMILY I CONTINUE TO CHECK THIS BLOG DAILY AND I PRAY FOR YOUR FAMILY TO GET CLOSEURE SOON.WOULD YOU PLEASE KEEP EVERYONE POSTED ON THE PROGRESS IN THE CASE. THANK’S PEARL
Comment by pearl — June 9, 2008 @ 9:44 pm
Pearl, you are golden. Thank you for your interest. Supposedly they are working on the case with interesting leads. They are not talking to the family about it. Hopefully we will here something soon. God bless you.
Comment by Dana Burgess — June 10, 2008 @ 7:04 am
I understand that the SBI has questioned the family of some brothers with the last name beginning with a C about their role in the murder of Alice. Both brothers are now deceased so what is the big secret now if they murdered Alice??……If they did commit the murder at least make it public to clear a lot of names…
Comment by Inside scoop — June 21, 2008 @ 9:08 pm
what family? what brothers? c? or s? please respond.
Comment by rooster — June 28, 2008 @ 8:44 pm
does anyone remember a story about a man driving his vehicle through the holiday inn’s front plate glass window?
Comment by rooster — June 29, 2008 @ 3:01 am
Ok, Inside Scoop, so what is the big secret about the last name? Just spill the beans. All you have to do is type the last name. Why keep the family guessing and wondering, and worrying? This case needs to stay alive with REAL information. So if what you say is REAL then please tell it. If you don’t want to tell it on HiH then get in touch with Alice’s family and tell them!
I have gone through the whole phone book trying to figure out who this “C” person/persons could be, to no avail.
Seems I do remember someone driving through the Holiday’s Inn’s window at some point in time, but my memory fails me on that.
Rooster: Do you think THAT person had something to do with the case? Does that last name start with a “C”?
It seems that Alice’s murder case, at least on HiH is slipping away, not many posts recently. The Henderson Dispatch may need to run another article so we can get HiH pumped up again.
Comment by Sheba — June 29, 2008 @ 11:25 am
Sheba,Looks like Inside Scoop doesn’t have the scoop.I am with you,if Scoop knows,Scoop should tell!Probably just hot air.
Let’s not let this die.We need to catch the KILLER.Alice’s family needs to know who killed her.
Comment by Joyce Pendergrass Atchison — July 4, 2008 @ 11:23 am
Has the SBI been in contact with the family lately?
Comment by north star — July 4, 2008 @ 11:58 am
#572 I sent a comment and gave the last name of the “C” brothers but it was NOT published…….sort of like the BR…..they have yet to publish the name of BR. The “C” brothers family is where I got the inside information. I was told the SBI came to talk to the son of the supposed killer. If the SBI got any information why are they not revealing it……
Comment by Inside Scoop — July 4, 2008 @ 4:24 pm
Inside scoop – maybe they aren’t revealing any information to keep what was discovered in the investigation confidential. Vance county screwed it up enough in the past, that the SBI knows how to keep their mouth shut, unlike many other officials that have been involved!
Comment by dooloppy — July 4, 2008 @ 10:43 pm
Inside Scoop – Will you send your contact information to Jason, so that the son of the victim may contact you?
Comment by rooster — July 5, 2008 @ 7:28 am
The son of one of the “C” brothers that supposedly was responsible for killing Alice is not talking…..says he has been advised by the SBI not discuss it with anyone. As I stated before both the “C” brothers are deceased now. It is my understanding that the “C” brother told his son before his death about the murder and his involvement in it. If this is all true I, too, cannot understand why it is taking the SBI so long to produce the evidence so as to give Alice’s family some answers, close this case, and bring them some peace in its closure. It has been too many years that they have had to live with this. I don’t understand why Jason refused to print my comment where I gave the last name of the brothers unless he thought it would cause problems for these brothers families………….He has never yet published the name of BR………maybe there is some law against it. As to your question #577 I don’t want to get involved by sending my contact info to Jason as if it is true, that the SBI has all the facts from the son of the “C” brother it will have to come out in the very near future. No one would like to see this case closed any more than I would and to know Alice’s family for once has peace of mind…..
Comment by Inside Scoop — July 5, 2008 @ 11:22 am
578 – Hello. I appreciate your silence. I haven’t heard anything from the SBI in a while. If possible, can you contact Jason for my contact information so we may email candidly. Anything we exchange emails about will be in confidence. If not, I understand. Thanks.
Comment by Michael Burgess — July 5, 2008 @ 11:32 am
As I remember the story shortly after the time of the murder, the “C” brother did not commit the murder but helped to cover it up and may have been present when the murder occurred. The prominent local attorney killed Mrs. Burgess after an argument over the end of the relationship. Mr. C was rewarded quite generously over the years.
Comment by downandoutinkittrell — July 5, 2008 @ 1:24 pm
#580 ……There were two “C” brothers (both now deceased) and from what I have learned from their family is that Alice left from the club or bar with both of them and was never seen alive again.
Maybe Mr. Attorney met up with them later……haven’t heard anything about that.
Comment by Inside Scoop — July 5, 2008 @ 2:34 pm
#579 Michael, if something is not revealed in the next month from the SBI about this I will contact Jason for your contact information…..does he have a phone # for you. I can only relay to you what I was told by the “C” brother’s family, be it true or not. I understand that this “C” person was very abusive to his wife and children. I also understand that the son of this “C” person was asked why he hadn’t said something but he stated that he was afraid because his father was so mean to them growing up…….Sure looks like he would have said something after the father died.
Comment by Inside Scoop — July 5, 2008 @ 2:40 pm
582 – He does have email and telephone information. Thanks.
Comment by Michael Burgess — July 5, 2008 @ 4:25 pm
TO THE BURGESS FAMILY I AM HAPPY TO SEE THAT THERE IS SOME MORE NEWS ON THE CASE COMEING IN .I CONTINUE TO PRAY EVERY NIGHT FOR YOUR FAMILY TO GET CLOSURE SOON.FOR THE FAMILY WHO HAS THE INFORMATION I WOULD ASK YOU TO PRAY ABOUT THIS AN DO THE RIGHT THING. MAY GOD BLESS YOU ALL. THANKS PEARL
Comment by pearl — July 7, 2008 @ 12:48 pm
Thank you so much, Pearl. We really appreciate your prayers and your interest in this.
Melissa Baker
Comment by Melissa Baker — July 7, 2008 @ 12:59 pm
“Inside Scoop”:
Please contact me immediately.
Comment by Jason Feingold, Ed. — July 8, 2008 @ 11:21 am
It looks like you may be on to something “inside Scoop”!
And Jason is interested!
Comment by Inspector J — July 8, 2008 @ 4:33 pm
The person who did this crime knows he did it and knows that his time is coming to an end. Maybe if the suspect explain what happened he would not only feel better but keep his name from being constantly slandered. I know everyday of his life since the murder he has been feeling a weight on his shoulder. now is the time for him to find a peace of mind with himself as well as the family of the victim.
Comment by mystery woman — July 13, 2008 @ 8:52 pm
TO THE BURGESS FAMILY . I AM CHECKING IN TO SEE IF THERE IS ANY NEW NEWS ON THE CASE? I HOPE THE FAMILY THAT HAD THE IMFORMATION WAS HELPFUL. I ONLY WISH I WERE YOUNGER AND IN BETTER HEALTH I WOULD PERSONALY GO OUT AND DO SOME INVESTIGATNG MYSELF.I WOULD LIKE TO SEND OUT A CHALLANGE TO ALL THOSE PEOPLE ON THIS BLOG WHO SEEM TO KNOW A LOT ABOUT EVERTHING GOING ON IN HENDERSON TO PUT YOUR TALENTS TO GOOD USE AND HELP TO SOLVE THIS CASE. TO THE FAMILY KEEP THE FAITH AND REMEMBER WITH GOD ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE . PEARL
Comment by pearl — July 23, 2008 @ 8:05 am
Thank you, Pearl. The SBI is working on the case but we don’t know any more than that. We are just trusting in God that this will be solved. We definitely appreciate your prayers.
Comment by Melissa Baker — July 24, 2008 @ 1:32 pm
low rate auto insurance…
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Trackback by low rate auto insurance — July 29, 2008 @ 3:34 am
WELL HERE WE ARE INTO YET ANOTHER MONTH WITH OUT ALICES,S MURDER BEING SOLVED. LET.S HOPE THIS IS THE LAST ONE.I CONTINUE TO PRAY FOR THE FAMILY TO GET CLOSURE SOON.PLEASE CONTINUE TO STAY STRONG. I AM LOOKING FORWARD TO THE DAY I CHECK THIS SIGHT AND SEE THAT THERE HAS BEEN AN AREST MADE. THANK YOU.
Comment by pearl — August 4, 2008 @ 7:29 am
Pearl, I commend you on your loyalty with this issue. I wish more people were like you! I know things would get done then!!
My mother used to pay a lot of attention to Alice’s brother when she would see him out in places on Norlina Road like Food Lion, CVS, Roses. He still gets around a lot walking about town. Everytime I see him, I think of Alice and how it must have hurt him when all this happened. Seeing him brings back the same feelings of shock, anger, and despair that we felt back on that ugly day in the 70′s.
Comment by Dolly — August 7, 2008 @ 11:38 am
It has been many years, but I remember the family and the notoriety of the case.
I sincerely hope that the individual who is responsible for the horrible crime is found and justice served.
What a lovely family and for this to have gone on for so long unsolved is unspeakable!
God bless the Burgess family and friends for not letting the public forget the loss of their loved one.
Comment by simplyred — August 10, 2008 @ 10:45 am
where is inside scoop? did you contact the family?
Comment by billy the rooster — August 12, 2008 @ 9:23 am
Dear Burgress Family,
I think of each member of the Burgress family often. I pray to bring the person who committed this crime against your mother (and as a result against your entire family) to justice. I so wish I could do more to help this crime be solved. I will continue to pray to bring your family closure. No child should ever have to have their mother taken away in such a manner. My heart still cries for you.
A high school classmate of Michael’s.
Comment by Thinking of you — August 21, 2008 @ 2:16 pm
Come on Henderson,have you lost interest already?It has been 30 years,did you think it would be solved overnight?Help our family keep this alive in the hearts and mind of the killer and the SBI.
Comment by Joyce Pendergrass Atchison — August 27, 2008 @ 7:26 am
Everytime I open HIH, I see her picture and think about her. Seems like we all have let hope die a little. I do check about once or twice a week to see if any posts are new. If he does get convicted, it would almost be too good to be true. I am a bit tired of the “rich and famous” getting away with everything. Us working poor don’t get too many breaks.
Keep praying!!!
Comment by Dolly — August 29, 2008 @ 3:09 pm
I was hoping with the State getting involved that this would be solved by now. I don’t remember when it happened, but it is hard to believe that so many years have gone by without it being solved – but, again, this is Henderson and friends look out for friends. I am sure that the guilty one knows that everybody knows who he is. Wonder how many have been covering for him all of these years?
Comment by Interesting — August 29, 2008 @ 3:25 pm
Happy 41st Birthday Melissa! With your 5th baby due any day, I hope and pray that soon there were be good news in this case and maybe one day You, Michael, and the whole family can breath a sigh of relief knowing that the murder/murders have been found, charged, and sentenced!!!!
Comment by Sheba — August 31, 2008 @ 7:38 am
Sorry, that should have said “murderer/murderers.
Comment by Sheba — August 31, 2008 @ 7:40 am
We woke up this morning!!!!! Alice did not! Let’s catch the killer.
Comment by Joyce Pendergrass Atchison — September 2, 2008 @ 7:22 am
TO THE BURGESS FAMILY ,PLEASE UP DATE US ON THE CASE IF POSSIBLE.IT SEEMS AS IF THINGS ARE SLOWING DOWN ON THIS CASE,I HOPE NOT.YOUR FAMILY ARE IN MY PRAYERS NIGHTLY. HAS YOUR FAMILY EVER HAD, OR CONSIDERED A VIGIAL ON THE DATE OF ALICES DEATH? THANKS PEARL
Comment by pearl — September 7, 2008 @ 11:06 pm
I do hope that the missing woman in Granville does not end up like Alice. It does not look good at this point though.
Pray for her and her family.
Comment by Dolly — September 10, 2008 @ 9:08 am
You know, this just happened in Cary, now in Stem. Seems like things like this always happen in 2′s. I do hope she is safe, but at this point, I seriously doubt if she is alive. I think I read that her husband is not even helping in the search. Go figure. Where are the children? Hopefully, they have grandparents close.
Comment by Interesting — September 10, 2008 @ 9:17 am
What happened to “Eddie Williams”, where is he now?
She was NOT shot in addition to the beating, is that correct?
I haven’t done any research on this case, have only read the two links posted. It seems like a lot of small town conversation here, and I don’t know who the lawyer is referred to here, but I feel very strongly that is not who killed this woman. That is just my strong impression.
I see her in the mud, I see a male pulling up, he is wearing hunting boots…and a button up flannel shirt…she knows him indirectly….she is familiar with him, but not directly…she is not afraid of him at all. He is friendly and wants to help…he tries to help but can not…he becomes embarrassed…because this is something he should be able to do. He said he could.
he is a pathological liar… I feel like he is a bit older than her.
Is there more information about the crime scene itself? Or theories of the unfolding events, other than blaming someone who the police eliminated?
Just thought I’d offer my one cent.
When you find the right person, ALL of the pieces fit.
Comment by psychic — September 11, 2008 @ 5:29 pm
PHYCHIC, MAYBE YOU SHOULD READ ALL OF THE POSTES ON THIS CASE. THE FACTS ARE THAT ALICE HAD AN INTEMENT INCOUNTER THE NIGHT SHE WAS MURDERED. SO THAT SUGGEST SHE KNEW HER ATTACKER. A LOT OF PEOPLE INCLUDING FAMILY KNEW SHE WAS DATING THIS HOMETOWN LAWER BR.THERE WERE NO SIGNS OF A STRULGLE.THIS LAWER HAD AND STILL HAS FRIENDS IN LAW ENFORSEMENT. AS FAR AS I KNOW HE WAS NEVER QUESTIONED BY POLICE . IF I AM WRONG I STAND CORRECTED.IF THIS MAN DID NOT DO IT ,WHY DON,T HE TAKE A LIE DECTECTOR TEST SO HE CAN CLEAR HIS NAME. IF IT WERE ADMINISTERED BY SOME ONE THE FAMILY COULD TRUST,THAT IS. I CANNOT SEE WHY HE DOES NOT IF HE IS INNONCENT. ALICES FAMILY DESERVES JUSTICE FOR THEIR MOTHER. I PRAY IT COMES SOON.
Comment by pearl — September 11, 2008 @ 11:11 pm
Hello Ms. Pearl. Thank you so much for your prayers and concern. I wish there were more with as soft a soul as yours. Authorities are working the case diligently. Maybe they are close to something. Stay with us on this journey.
Comment by Michael Burgess — September 12, 2008 @ 10:07 am
606 PSYCHIC – Thanks for the commentary. Jokes are meant for other sites. There are millions of internet sites for your submissions.
Comment by Michael Burgess — September 12, 2008 @ 10:11 am
Yes, and this is a public site, you will not dictate where I post my theories or opinions. Why would you try to silence someone simply because their theory is diffferent than yours? Would hate to be your wife. Since it is a dead cold case, you should take all the help anyone has to offer, or give.
Your attempt to disguise your handwriting is laughable and reveals how simple and narrow-minded you are. I am sure they have samples of her vaginal fluids and the perpetrators semen. If it doesn’t match, you need to apologize to the man you falsely accuse. Just because he had domestic issues with his wife, doesn’t mean he is a murderer.
It is very common for family members of victims to get mentally fixed on one idea, I suppose it is just a need to blame someone.
A good example of that is The Otero family of the BTK case. The family long believed it had something to do with people they knew; the police even flew to another country investigating the families theories…when all along they were simply the innocent random victims of an organized serial killer.
Hey perhaps it was Robert L. Yates, Jr. Although his capture was based upon killings of prostitutes, his initial killings in 1975 were of a couple picnicing. He has a few years of unaccounted for killings, 1975-1988. There is a reason he would not reveal.
Or hey maybe you did it! I mean, Burke killed JonBenet right? Or was it the evil Patsy Ramsey? Oh yeah, that’s right, recent DNA evidence proves that it wasn’t!
FACE it, if it was the lawyer he would have been arrested by now.
You never even answered the question, where is Eddie Munster? If you are going to put up a blog, figure out how they work sweetie pie.
Comment by psychic — September 12, 2008 @ 3:02 pm
Oh yeah, by the way. Prayers and sympathy don’t find killers. Or maybe in small towns they do.
Comment by psychic — September 12, 2008 @ 3:09 pm
Psychic- Your post is totally out of line! This family has went through more in the past 30+ years than anyone should ever have to experience. They have lived with this tragedy over and over and still don’t have closure. When someone’s life is taken through violence it is an emotional shock, not only mentally but physically too. I guess you have never experienced tragedy, but you should consider their hurt and pain before posting. I truly hope this case is solved and justice can be served. My sympathy and prayers are with the family.
Comment by Tina Bennett Boyd — September 12, 2008 @ 3:26 pm
No this libel blog is out of line! If I were that attorney I would be filing some serious lawsuits. Obviously the poor guy has a heart and has certainly tolorated a lot from you rednecks.
Lots of people get murdered every year. Want to find a killer or get sympathy? Oh prayers! Lordy me. God bless yall, Oh I’ll pray for yew. Well what have your prayers accomplished?
This blog reads like a church condolences book, not an attempt to find a killer. Oh yes, sorry, keep forgetting this is where pig-pickins and church suppers congregate.
Comment by psychic — September 12, 2008 @ 5:09 pm
Pearl needs to calm down on the caps. Its hurting my eyes and while you are at it sweetie, how about using spell check too. Phychic, postes, intement, incounter, lawer, strugle, enforsement, innoncent. I have never seen so many misspelled words in one blog.
And Psychic, imagine him trying to sue, these fictious names. Where would he begin. None of them would say anything to him face to face, let alone give their names.
Comment by watchthemanyfacesofpeople — September 12, 2008 @ 5:41 pm
Pearl needs to calm down on the caps. Its hurting my eyes and while you are at it sweetie, how about using spell check too. Phychic, postes, intement, incounter, lawer, strugle, enforsement, innoncent. I have never seen so many misspelled words in one blog.
And Psychic, imagine him trying to sue, these fictious names. Where would he begin. None of them would say anything to him face to face, let alone give their names.
Comment by watchthemanyfacesofpeople — September 12, 2008 @ 5:41 pm
I hate to tell you but these ficticious names have IP’s.
Many posters in the BTK case were supeanoed..(shoot I know I spelled that wrong.)
I think the mistake here is assuming that the man who killed this woman, only killed her. He probably has killed before or after her, and connecting the dots is how you will find him. Sure he might get his killing fix from hunting, but I think he would have had to have killed again. It seems tunnel vision is in play, going through the small town of who was where, who knew who, and it is probably someone that you wouldn’t even suspect. As was Dennis Rader, the church President, boy scout, loving father and husband. I am not saying it is necessarily a serial killer at all.
But MARK my words, you will never find him if you continue to try to make shoes fit.
Good luck, farewell, and I would pray too, if I thought it would locate the killer.
Comment by psychic — September 12, 2008 @ 6:34 pm
WELL WELL, TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE SO CONCERNED ABOUT MY SPELLING .THE FAMILY UNDERSTOOD MY POSTES,AND THAT IS ALL I CARE ABOUT. JUST THE FACT THAT YOU WOULD FEEL, THE NEED TO POINT THAT OUT SHOWES THE KIND OF PERSON YOU ARE .PEOPLE LIKE YOU DO NOT BOTHER ME .TO PHYCHIC,AS YOU WOULD KNOW IF YOU TOOK THE TIME TO READ THIS ENTIRE BLOOG,THE DNA AS IN HER PANTIES WAS ACCIDENTLY THROWN OUT YES I SAID THROWN AWAY.THE BOX WAS THERE BUT NOT THE EVEDIENCE.IF YOU ARE REALY INTERESTED IN THE CASE I WOULD ASK YOU TO DO SOME REASEARCH ON THIS CASE .WHO KNOWES MAYBE YOU COULD HELP .OH AND TO THE SPEEL CHECK GUY HAVE A GOOD TIME SEEING HOW MANY MISTAKES I MADE.
Comment by pearl — September 12, 2008 @ 10:28 pm
the killers dna would probably be on other articles of clothing. Is all of the clothing gone? I saw where a cold case of 20+ years was matched to the victims pantyhose…his dna remained on her panty hose where he touched her. It wasn’t semen, it was just sweat from his hands.
If there are ANY articles of clothing, they can be tested.
It’s very common that evidence disappeared, especially from the 70′s, that was long before we even knew about the technological advances like dna would reveal. That has happened to a lot of cases from back then. Especially when they thought that Eddie guy had done it.
Message board style would be better for this type of thing. That way you could have it sectioned into crime info, prayers, etc…or if you haven’t yet, could start a thread on the AMW board.
With 50,000 being donated, perhaps you could get a billboard put up to reignite the case.
Start looking at other surrounding counties unsolved crimes from the 5 years before and after.
Comment by psychic — September 13, 2008 @ 12:06 am
Pearl’s spelling ability reflects on her education. It does not mean that she is dumb or uncaring, just poorly educated. Her posts usually are well-intended opinions of an uneducated person and should be taken as nothing more or less. She is entitiled to post just as much as anyone else with an opinion and a computer.
Comment by Objective Observer — September 13, 2008 @ 8:19 am
psychic – you make me laugh. articulate, funny, disrespectful. i am not hiding. i am not trying to make a shoe fit. our families are keeping an open mind about this case. luckily society thinks a good tongue lashing is a great form of communication. respect is an all important lost aspect of a play on words. i come from a family of fighters. maybe your cowardly form of communication, hiding behind a name, is no different than a poor ignorant man’s reaction to physically bring another to his knees. you hide behind words and a false name. how weak is that? attacking ms. pearl, the lady with a gracious heart, is mean spirited. if you are trying to help, so be it. if not, come out from the shadows. be a man, not one who uses fancy words and false names as a way to avoid violent confrontation because you fear the inevitable.
Comment by Michael Burgess — September 13, 2008 @ 10:54 am
psychic — to the best of my knowledge, every ‘family member’ has consistently posted with their real names. i know that i, my wife (melissa burgess), michael & dana burgess, & joyce faye pendergrass, have always used our given names.
with regards to ‘speaking forth the name of this attorney’ … it was in my first posting back in Feb. of this year. unfortunately, the administrator of this site could not let it stay up due to potential liability issues.
therefore, just to keep him ‘in the loop’, i’ve printed and faxed the entirety of this blog on occassion to the prime suspect’s law office. as for saying to him ‘face-to-face’ what i’ll submit here as a posting — absolutely no problem with that whatsoever. my only fear would be that my actions toward him would inevitably cause me to be the perpetraitor of a crime that would inturn pull me away from my family. i have no fear of any man, least of all this dirtbag or his cronies … (beginning to think more & more that he likely hired out Alice’s murder — but i’m quite certain that he is the implicit party who’s responsible for this brutal act of violence). if anything, i’ve delighted in taking every opportunity to torment this scumbag whenever & however i can. actually, as of late, michael and i have been discussing dropping by his office to pay a visit soon or going to Henderson to sit in during a day of court while he’s practicing his profession.
after all, he’s in a ‘heckuva’ tough spot … might say — really caught between a rock and a hard spot! what the heck can he do??? if he were to come after me (or hire someone to come after) or anyone that’s a member of this family, he’d really blow his own cover!!! really … 30 years have passed with no violence toward any family member and all of a sudden –within 12-18 months of this thing getting stirred up again — something happens to a family member??? get real. he’s in a jam. and anything that he’s experienced as a result of the family and the Henderson / Vance County communities getting ticked-off with this old, unsolved crime — it all pales in comparison to the torment that the family members have lived with for three decades. reality is that the walls of silence are starting to crumble around this loser.
as for prayers’ affect (or lack thereof) on situations in the lives we lead here on earth … as far as i’m concerned this is the ‘primary’ weapon we have in our arsenal at this stage of the game. as my family and i gather for our daily (if possible) family Bible/worship/prayer time, and when i hear my children that pray (ages 9, 6, 5, & 3) for the killer of “‘mommie’s mom’ to be found and brought to justice”, i’ll just tell you that the God of the Bible hears them along with all the other prayers going up from people who either loved Alice, love Michael & Melissa, or simply want to know that they’ve contributed to making their community a better and safer place to live. as for the affect of these prayers — all i can do is let you in on the fact that the authorities have made more progress in this thirty year old murder case in the past twelve (12) months than what has been made in three (3) decades … and i believe it is in large part due to the power of prayer. so, to all you ‘praying rednecks’ out there just like me – - thank you & keep on keepin’ on!!!
Comment by Jimmy H. Baker, Jr. — September 14, 2008 @ 1:26 pm
Everybody knows who he is – that’s for sure. How he and his cover-up “friends” get out of bed in the mornings is beyond me.
Hope this is solved soon, Jimmy. Keep the faith!
Comment by Interesting — September 14, 2008 @ 3:40 pm
If psychic is so smart,why doesn’t he tell this bunch of rednecks who the real killer is?For this redneck family,GOD IS OUR STRENGTH!
Comment by Joyce Pendergrass Atchison — September 14, 2008 @ 3:58 pm
Oh, and to Joyce and other non psychic believers, I just don’t think it was the lawyer. This conspiracy theory reeks of old episodes of Matlock.
The fact is that crime scene evidence from cases of the 70′s was regularly lost, misplaced and destroyed. That would seem typical of a po-dunk police department in Henderson North Carolina. How far IS that from Mayberry? Rotflmao.
For whatever reason, I see the name Mark. I do not know any of the players or suspects names in your case, but I just see someone named Mark having the connection.
That’s all folks. By the way, I don’t charge for my sarcasm or revelations.
I do have some banana bread to take out of the oven now. :)
Love and Kisses
Comment by psychic — September 14, 2008 @ 6:23 pm
psychic/psycho — i do not doubt your abilities/powers; even they are mentioned in Scripture, however, they’re mentioned from the standpoint of staying away and having NOTHING to do with them.
undoubtedly, the forces of good & evil, darkness & light, have been with us since sin entered the world thru adam. i, and apparently many others, just happen to choose to seek our revelation, power, and strength in times/circumstances such as these from the highest power … the power, Almighty God, to whom ‘every knee’ will someday bow — including, i might add, yours. may not be in ‘this life’, but rest assured His Word will be accomplished in the most complete manner.
even though we are very different, we are alike in some ways. after all, i don’t charge for sharing the Truth.
enjoy your banana bread. :)
Comment by Jimmy H. Baker, Jr. — September 14, 2008 @ 6:35 pm
whoooa. I found Mikey B.
The singer (naa…too much hair-he probably sings in the mirror)
The priest
The cowboy cop (a bolo?)
The coroner (I might be a little too hyper for him)
The cpa (I’ll take Ian, thanks)
The ob/gyn (I’ve always wondered what they think about on lonely nights~hummm)
The professor (not bad, I might consider a fling, but no love)
the inmate (scarrrrry)
the congressman (he gets Republican points-go Palin)
the baseball player (na, too dark for my taste)
Poll-Which Mike B. is the hottest?
1 vote for the Professor :)
Comment by psychic — September 14, 2008 @ 6:50 pm
Whoever killed Alice has to face the same day of judgment that we all must. Every day we all pay the price of the wrongs we’ve done, deny it or not.
What Alice gave her children was a love and loyalty that won’t give up hoping for justice. She also gave them a strong will to survive and flourish. Relationships and families are not defined with how easy they are in the good times; they are defined and refined by the challenges. From all I’ve read, the children of this ill-fated young woman continue to build productive lives, despite the shadow of mystery and lack of closure. The children honor their mother with their commitment to finding the truth. They also honor their mother by living the lives she would have wished for them.
Comment by Copper — September 14, 2008 @ 7:17 pm
To the Burgess family i am happy to hear from you all. I am also glad to see the new post on your moms case.if i can do any thing to help let me know.Please let me know if you are having trouble understanding any thing i am posting. Sorry about the misspelled words. I believe the idea you had ,to come and sit in the court room is a good one.I continue to pray for your family nightly and will continue to do so .I am so sorry for those people who don,t believe prayer will help. THANKS PEARL.
Comment by pearl — September 14, 2008 @ 11:16 pm
Good Morning friends, What draws me to this case I do not know. Probably some similarities between Alice and I. Although I was only in about pre-school at the time of her murder, I am now a mother of three. Ironic, I too had an affair with an attorney. Alice and I even kind of look alike.
As far as prayer is concerned, prayer provides comfort, it doesn’t find killers.
Just two weeks ago in Kansas, a couple was stabbed to death in their home. When the friend came to pick the man up for work, the door was opened by a little boy covered in blood. The killer had spared the child’s life. But both his mother and father were taken, and he has no siblings-can you imagine the life and challenges he will face? Yes, it is a cruel world.
I am an advocate for finding truth as well, it’s not “guilty until proven innocent.”
This is all morning fluff, and I prefer to offer solutions to problems, or suggestions…not boo-hoo about what can not be changed. Good for Mikey that he did something with his life. I suspect he is going through his midlife crisis at the moment. I don’t know what his familial situation is, but if he continues to drive up this hill of anger, he will destroy the most important thing in his life NOW-love your wife, your children, your family every moment together, the same way your mother did for you.
He doesn’t need prayer, he needs a therapist to help cope with the anxiety “the unresolve” has placed within his heart.
He needs to take some time and put it out of his mind. He is not hot-on-the-trail.
You need to hire an investigator, one from out of town-perhaps Raleigh, who has good law enforcement ties and builds good relationships. You need to have an objective analysis of the facts. You can’t do that with this small town arm-chair detective chatter.
You might consider having a candlelight vigil, in November. Prepare well, make sure you invite all media within 2 hours distance (newspapers, local stations, etc.) Iv’e found that anything further will not show up.
Yes, people will think you are crazy, that’s ok. Sometimes crazy gets the most attention. I did a presentation on the connection between socio-economic status and media attention in unsolved crime. I found that they had nothing much to do with each other directly. It all came down to how you use the media. Many people wait for the media to come to them, and then cry that no one cares when they don’t.
Well, that’s not how it works. Natalie Holloway’s case got so much attention because her mother was out there beating the pavement to make her daughter’s case heard.
I wouldn’t dare attempt to speak for Alice, but she probably didn’t even like the lawyer all that much. She probably just went out with him because he was a lawyer. We all have regrets.
I am not saying either that all LE are great and all trustworthy. In fact I’ve witnessed the sexism first hand. Give a bonehead a title and imaginary power, and what happens? He becomes abusive. Not all police officers are that way, many of the ones with that type mentality never make it in, but a few do slip through from time to time. Oh and the cops with short-man syndrome…well I could write about that for days. :))
What about crime scene evidence…is there any? There have to be photos at least…shoe prints? Where did the assult take place-in the car, outside of the car? Was she restrained in anyway? And what ever happened to Eddie!? Is this an unsolved crime blog or Bible study?>
Comment by psychic — September 15, 2008 @ 8:52 am
One more thing. You do not behave like Christians when you accuse someone and publicly assasinate someone who is not proven to be a killer.
Guilty Until Proven Innocent?
If you need a role model, observe John Ramsey. He and his wife DID NOT kill their child, but they were bitterly accused and attacked for years. Just a few months ago, new DNA evidence completely cleared them, but Patsy was never around to hear that…and the sad part is that people still think they did it-even though there is white male dna all over her that doesn’t match anyone.
It might sound unreal, but those were real people, really victimized by false accusation. They are the ultimate example.
John Ramsey has always held strong to his faith as a Christian, and behaved in an admireable way; Even when they brought John Mark Karr in after his false confession.
Don’t behave like rednecks, behave like Christians if that is what you say you are.
And dear God, don’t go stalking that lawyer while he is working, you’re going to get arrested!
Did you ever consider that maybe the lawyer gave information or a tidbit that the police have overlooked? They do say that in cold cases, like 80% of the time the killers name is on the initial list of people interviewed.
Maybe it is the lawyer…I don’t like to brag about my track record but I’ve never been wrong about who it isn’t. I see an r and a k. Mark and Frank are the only names I can think of with those letters.
I’ve gotten names close or right in three cases that were eventually solved. Not that the information lead to the capture, but I was right. These are just my opinions, and that is my disclaimer.
Comment by psychic — September 15, 2008 @ 9:50 am
Psychic – Intriguing. Who are you?
Comment by rooster — September 15, 2008 @ 10:08 pm
Psychic, obviously, you don’t live in or understand Henderson mentality. You ask about the crime scene evidence. It was destroyed – disappeared – mysteriously, I might add. Much cover-up in this case. Friends taking care of friends. Certainly, as a psychic, you can understand how this works, especially in a small town like ours. You know, you scratch my back, I’ll scratch your back.
Comment by Interesting — September 16, 2008 @ 8:01 am
HELLO EVERY ONE. I WAS READING THE NEW POSTS AND I AGREE WITH PHYCHIC ON THE IDEA OF HAVING A CANDLELIGHT VIGIL FOR ALICE. WE NEED TO KEEP THIS CASE IN THE MINDS OF EVERY ONE.PERHAPS THE PHYCHIC WILL BE ABLE TO HELP IF SHE OR HE WHATEVER THE CASE MAY BE,IF SHE UNDERSTOOD THAT THE ATTORNEY IS THE MAIN SUSPECT TO THE FAMILY AND MOST OF THE PEOPLE WHO KNEW ALICE AND HER FAMILY. AS FAR AS I KNOW HE WAS NEVER PERSUDED AS ONE. IF HE IS NOT GUILTY WHY DON,T HE TAKE A LIE DECTECTOR TEST AND END THE SUSPICITION OF HIM ONCE AND FOR ALL.IF I WAS THOUGHT TO HAVE COMMITED A MURDER AND I WAS INNONCENT I WOULD BE GLAD TO TAKE A TEST TO CLEAR MY NAME,MOST PEOPLE WOULD.CONSIDER THIS PHYCHIC. IT IS A COLD AND RAINY NIGHT WHEN A BEAUTIFUL MOTHER OF THREE ,HAS A SECRET MEETING WITH HER BOY FRIEND BEFOUR GOING HOME. NOW PICTURE THEM ENJOYING EACH OTHERS COMPANY (IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN) I PUT IT LIKE OUT OF RESPECT FOR THE FAMILY. NOW IS TIME TO GO BUT ALICES CAR IS STUCK IN THE MUD. HER BOY FRIEND AND HER TRY TO GET IT OUT BUT ARE UNABLE TO . AN ARGUMENT ENSUES HE (WHO IS ALREADY KNOWN TO HAVE A BAD TEMPER)HITS HER WITH THE TIRE IRON OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN UNTIL SHE IS NO LONGER ALIVE .HE THEN THROWES HER INTO THE TRUNK OF HER CAR WHERE SHE STAYS FOR A WEEK OR MORE UNTIL SHE IS FOUND.SHE NEVER GOT TO SAY GOOD BY TO HER MOTHER ,FATHER AND HER CHILDREN.IF YOU TRULY DO HAVE ANY POWERS.SIT BACK RELAX AND PICTURE THAT HAPPENING.MABE YOU CAN HELP .AT THE VERY LEAST YOU MIGHT UNDERSTAND BETTER WHY WE FEEL THE WAY WE DO ABOUT THIS MAN. THANKS PEARL
Comment by pearl — September 16, 2008 @ 11:36 am
Psychic, I see a B and an S in your name.
Comment by Hmmmm — September 16, 2008 @ 11:40 am
Your conspiracy theory is silly. Just plain desperate and silly. I understand exactly how small towns work…but “buddies”, especially in law enforcement, don’t usually spend time covering up murders for each other.
Now you have resorted to a “hired hit” theory, you just look more and more stupid the more you type. I would love to speak with this lawyer. I am starting to feel really sorry for him, having to deal with you people. To the attorney, I would file suit against these people if I were you.
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9F03E1DF113EF934A1575BC0A9629C8B63&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=1
Comment by psychic — September 16, 2008 @ 2:12 pm
Since we’ve already established that I’m the smart one, and you’re a pack of idiots, I’ll spend a few moments of my valuable time…enlightening you.
Hired hits are committed with guns, not tire irons.
Crimes of passion are committed with knives and hands.
Was her little bone in the neck crushed? Was she strangled?
Being struck three times with a tire iron, in my opinion, does not represent a crime of passion. I believe this to be an impulse crime. Something did not go right for the perpetrator within the moments leading up to him hitting her three times. Especially since the weapon is something found at hand in a car. This would not indicate premeditation.
If he beat her 15, 20, or 40 times with the tire iron, I would say that implies a longer relationship with the victim. It’s not scientific, but that is a reasonable place to start.
Welll goOOOOLLLLEEE.
To the person who wants to know who I am. Well, I’ve already said who I am, my posts have been deleted. Simple as this, I stumbled upon this blog about two weeks ago while doing a search on lovers lane type crimes, this one having nothing to do with the subject I’m researching, for a cj class I’m in. I have no connection and no knowledge of any of the people involved in your case, and I live in the midwest. I made a big mistake adding it to my favorites list, and keep saying I am never coming back- but here I am again (rolls eyes at myself.) I’m a writer, I’m a lover, I’m a fighter…hey wait a minute, isn’t that a song? lmao
ISSP In case you don’t know, that stands for “I see stupid people) It’s always funner to hang around stupider peoples than myself. :)
Comment by psychic — September 16, 2008 @ 2:30 pm
Just to clarify, I should have added the word “intimate” after “longer” in regards to the relationship between the killer and Alice.
Also, I should have added the word “inadequate” to bonehead, in regards to:
If you give an inadequate bonehead, a title and imaginary power (referring to cops) what happens?
Answer: They become abusive.
I’m talking about the personality traits.
Comment by psychic — September 16, 2008 @ 2:37 pm
Psychic – who are you? who did it?
Comment by rooster — September 16, 2008 @ 4:20 pm
Who said anything about law enforcement being involved? Don’t believe I did.
Hmmmm – funny thing….I see the same B & S that you do!!! LOL
Comment by Interesting — September 16, 2008 @ 5:19 pm
I wasn’t saying anything about law enforcement being involved, just pontificating more of my feelings. It’s your job as the reader to pull the S from the B.
A reasonable theory is that the killer tried to get the car out of the mud, couldn’t, and killed her to avoid the humiliation. I’m talking about personality types, what type of male has this pattern of thinking.
Remember the kid in the neighborhood, you know, the ONLY-LONELY child, who could never play like a nice boy? When he didn’t win the game he would throw the cards all over the table and blow up. Yep, thats the type of guy that killed Alice.
The brat.
Comment by psychic — September 16, 2008 @ 5:28 pm
PHYCHIC I NEVER SAID SHE WAS HIT 3 TIMES. I WAS SAYING OVER AND OVER AS TO MEAN MANY TIMES.I BELIEVE SHE WAS BEATEN SO BADLY SHE COULD HARDLY BE RECONIZED. YOUR PROFILING OF THE UNSUB.(UNKNOWN SUSPECT) SOUNDS JUST LIKE THE SUSPECT EVERY ONE IS TALKING ABOUT. SOME ONE WHO THINKS HE IS ABOVE THE LAW.I WOULD CHALLANGE YOU TO TAKE ON THIS CASE TO TRY AND SOLVE. WHO KNOWS MAYBE YOU CAN SOLVE THE CRIME. OH AND DON,T FORGET THERE IS 50.000 DOLLARS IN IT FOR WHO EVER SLOVES IT.
Comment by pearl — September 16, 2008 @ 8:44 pm
Well, I fell in this saga from the summary at the top of this blog. The “psychic” is one of the few voices on this topic not bathed in the hate towards one person. If you sift through “psychic’s” condescending words you may actually discover more useful information than all the innuendos and gross speculation have garnered. Someone much earlier in this string pointed out that, in relative terms of time to this murder, another murder was committed near Durham where the victim was left in the car. In the harsh light of reality that seems an interesting coincidence.
Comment by Out in Left Field — September 16, 2008 @ 9:51 pm
I don’t think it was the lawyer. I’m sorry. I just don’t.
If you have 8 cups in front of you, you place a marble under cup 4. No one moves the cups. How sure are you that the marble is going to be there if you lift cup 4?
Pretty sure, you know it is there, even though you don’t see it.
That is what it is like to know something. That is the feeling. It’s profound.
The sensory system is something ….some people can hear better, some can smell better, some people can see better…some people like to be massaged while others hate to be touched…we don’t all have the same sensory systems.
~1)the town of Oxford? What is Oxford like, what is there? For whatever reason, 2)I keep wanting to ask about a female named Tina, or Chris tina. Tina-marie? Maybe it’s not connected…but thought I’d mention it.
3)Did she have mud on her? 4)Was the tire iron from her car? 5)When was she last seen? 6)Who was watching the kids and when was she supposed to be back? 7)What size were the shoe prints? 8)Is Eddie alive? 9)Why did they think Eddie did it and why was Eddie cleared?
10)Where are the original police officers who investigated the case? 11)Have you spoken with them? Are they not at all interested in a 2nd look?
Comment by psychic — September 17, 2008 @ 10:32 pm
As much as I could use 50,000 dollars (student loans, two mortgages, the mini-van has about had it and the kids would really like a swingset),
I’d rather buy a lottery ticket-no bad karma.
I’d start a scholarship fund for displaced housewives. :))
Comment by psychic — September 17, 2008 @ 10:38 pm
Psychic – How old are you? Where are you from? Why don’t you contact the Burgess Family directly?
Comment by rooster — September 18, 2008 @ 7:53 am
Because I don’t like the psychic thing. You don’t understand, it is not something I like. But I also can not ignore the things that have happened. So, I will continue to post as long as I am feeling things. I am 30-something.
I had a first dream about this last night. I have so many questions, and could create a profile…not using the feelings though, because it’s important to be factual.
My dream showed a neighborhood. I was standing in front of what I thought was home, and the house was diagonal, to my left.
What I felt was that the killer lived very close, and then moved.
If it was the lawyer, certainly his wife would have known? Was the lawyer married, or Alice married? He would have been covered in blood and muddy that night.
(Oh, btw, the lawyer I had an affair with was single. And my husband forgave me, realizing I was going through my early midlife crisis :) )
I need to read through all of the posts here, and everything I can find.I’m enrolled for 21 credits this sem, I barely have time to breathe…
If there is no physical evidence, don’t forget there is still the polygraph, it’s not 100% but it works pretty good in eliminating someone who is innocent. You need an agent from the department to work with you. That is the most important thing. If you can’t work with them directly, you need to hire someone who can.
I’m guessing your lawyer guy isn’t willing to do a poly, being that he is a lawyer though I could understand why he wouldn’t.
Comment by psychic — September 18, 2008 @ 8:49 am
psychic – contact me personally and i may have some info.
Comment by Michael Burgess — September 18, 2008 @ 10:27 am
it was because of the mud.
Was she ever spotted at the lounge? She never intended to meet anyone at the lounge…right?
I’ve always believed a thief is a liar, a liar a thief. Eddie connection completely out-simple elimination.
The killer did not run to anyone for help to get the car after the fact. That is not logical. (stupid a**hole interfering in an investigation) It was her car. Tire iron from her car. It’s reasonable he tried to get the car out. He told no one. Ever. It’s someone no one really suspected. She picked him up? The location where she picked him up will determine where he lives or works.
How far did she live from lovers lane? How far is the bar from lovers lane?
How did everyone find out or know about the lawyer, was LL a place the two of them ever went to?
Michael, is there a reason you don’t want to post the facts here?
Comment by psychic — September 18, 2008 @ 2:23 pm
Nevermind, I have too many questions…my point is that if you know the reason he killed her was because of the mud….you can not then narrow in on one theory of the relationship between her and the lawyer.
You can’t say, “well maybe she told the lawyer she was pregnant” or something like that. He killed her because of the mud.
He either was humiliated that he couldn’t get her out
or
He could not leave her there, and could not walk out of there with her.
So then my next question is…which direction was the car facing? Leaving the LL or exiting? If it was facing deeper into the trail, sex might have never occurred, so the panties not all that important.
She had all of her clothes on- didn’t she?
If you tell me she was naked I will have to re-start my theory.
Ok, now I’m obsessed. :) Where is her car now? Have you tried to track it down?
Comment by psychic — September 18, 2008 @ 2:37 pm
OK, question answered, I’m on post number 87 now. Totally can’t concentrate on my homework, oh well.
So she was clothed-not surprised. Who was the “barber” and how does that play into it?
Is there a way to view what was shown on the most wanted show? Is that video link somewhere?
Thanks.
Comment by psychic — September 18, 2008 @ 3:51 pm
post 88 has serious flaws. SERIOUS flaws in theory.
When you feel the urge to say “not much of a stretch”…that is a tell-tale sign you are stretching.
It is not a realistic theory, I’m sorry.
My strong feeling is that this crime, has absolutely nothing at all to do with the cabin.
“lets face it…..Alice didn’t have that much”
HUH? in 1977 to have a practically new Monte Carlo, a new house?
This is an informative post despite it’s poor structure in theory.
Comment by psychic — September 18, 2008 @ 4:06 pm
146- great post. Said much better than I could have said it.
I agree it can be solved, but it is not going to be solved by someone coming forward. The reward will play no part-only give more value to public attention.
Comment by psychic — September 18, 2008 @ 4:23 pm
“Dragging the body” She was muddy, another question answered.
This is torture to read through btw-so much crap. Maybe you should put all of the details into one post for any new comers. Someone muzzle jimmy, good grief, he is as annoying as my sister-in-law.
Comment by psychic — September 18, 2008 @ 4:34 pm
I HAVE BEEN READING THIS BLOG FOR SEVERAL DAYS NOW AND ALL I CAN SAY IS THAT THERE ARE SOME REALLY DUMB PEOPLE ON HERE. EVERYBODY HAS A THOUGHT AND A THEORY BUT NO ACTUAL CLUE AS TO WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT. LET IT ALL REST AND FING YOU A NEW LIFE.
Comment by blasted — September 18, 2008 @ 4:39 pm
post 163-
There is a problem with what you list as fact. Your number one..1)You do not know for sure that the killer and Alice engaged in sexual relations that night. Even if she had semen, in her…that doesn’t mean it was from that night or from the killer. Not to be gross but…that stuff can drip out for days. :) . Also, you could just meet with someone to talk, that doesnt’ mean there was intention for sex.
Also, the point you make about
“Alice and BR were involved in a relationship-confirmed by family and non-family”
That would mean it was NOT a big secret. That weakens the motive you are trying to apply. The BR guy was cocky, a wife beater…arrogant…he wouldn’t give a sh*t about being found out by his wife. Well he would, but not a strong enough MO to kill Alice. I’m more convinced than ever it was not the lawyer.
KEEP THIS IN MIND-he killed her because of the “stuck in the mud”, not because he got mad at her.
In all liklihood, she was meeting with someone that no one knew about. Perhaps someone she knew from work or the neighborhood-maybe even someone who was in the circle of BR…possibly the father of one of the children’s playmates from the neighborhood?….she may have known him for a while….and an intimate relationship was just budding….brewing.
There was no urgency with BR. Especially if he lived close by. The killer panicked, your BR isn’t a panicking kind of POI. He didn’t hide his secret if friends and family knew.
Whew,,,I’m going to have to pick this back up tomorrow. It’s hurting my brain.
Comment by psychic — September 18, 2008 @ 5:01 pm
psychic – 648 – i can’t post the facts online. psychic – 649 – http://www.ncwanted.com/unsolved/story/2276583/ for the story. go to http://www.ncwanted.com>video player to the right>video list drop down>alice burgess video part 1 and part 2.
Comment by rooster — September 18, 2008 @ 6:14 pm
man, that was just awful. Very good coverage though, but hard to watch. That was really sad.
Where did you guys live before you moved into the house in the country, and how long had you lived there?
What was the distance between that house, the bar, and the new house and the LL?
Can you post some addresses? I’m sure you’ve mapped this all out.
What did she talk about to her friend that night in the bar. I think that would tell a lot…
I still don’t think it was the lawyer. A fight wasn’t the reason for killing her, it was because they were stuck in the mud and he couldn’t get her out…in his mind killing her, was his only escape from the situation. When he lifted his hand for the first strike, it was his intention at that point to kill her.
Would she have really freaked out that much about being stuck in the mud? prob Not…especially since it was her car. If it was me, I would freak out more if it was my boyfriends car and he got me stranded.
What about the results from the coat? Where was the coat that they had it to test?
I have to start my theory over again, I was really seeing a neighborhood. She picked him up from some location….and he had to get back to the location from which she picked him up from…probably because he had a wife. Or if he was single, maybe it was the humiliation theory…I saw where that happened before…
You know, there was this one night…when I had my Mustang…I was out drinking…and I left the bar and got stuck in the snow. I should have gone home but you do stupid things when you drink.
I drove out in the country to a house…never made it there..got stuck in the snow and I panicked…started running towards the only light which turned out to be a mennonite familys home…they got their tractor and pulled me out. It was like 3 o clock in the morning.
Not sure where I am going with this but…the next day I was thinking to myself …why did I drive in the snow, and why did I go looking for him…I didn’t even like him all that much…and I think it was because I just wanted company, alcohol will do that to you so maybe she wanted company that night because of the alcohol…sometimes us women just need to be held. Maybe it was someone she met at the bar…(whispered in his ear-didn’t want anyone to know what she was going to do) doesn’t seem like she would be going looking for company from the married lawyer on an impulse. (just thinking with my fingers here…sorry)
Was the lawyer at the bar that night?
I think that lady from the SBI is exactly right, it’s just a matter of questioning the right person.
He has got to be about what…60′s now.
My mom was born in 1949 too.
Comment by psychic — September 18, 2008 @ 9:22 pm
Hi Psychic,
Great insight on the show. Just an FYI, there was not any alcohol in her system when she was found.
Thanks,
Dana
Comment by Dana Burgess — September 18, 2008 @ 9:40 pm
Psychic or anyone else with connections, if you know a criminal justice professor, maybe you can send this case to them for research.
Comment by Dana Burgess — September 18, 2008 @ 9:44 pm
holy cow, that makes it even more bizarre. I think the show implied that- by saying she was at a bar…showed images of dancing and flirting…and then at the end a crushed Budweiser can.
Comment by psychic — September 18, 2008 @ 9:45 pm
My mom is a detective, I’ll give it to her.
Comment by psychic — September 18, 2008 @ 9:45 pm
Thanks psychic, let us know what she thinks.
Comment by Dana Burgess — September 18, 2008 @ 9:48 pm
psychic – if you would like contact jason feingold and he will give my personal contact info.
Comment by Dana Burgess — September 18, 2008 @ 10:00 pm
It just occurred to me that had cell phones been widely available, perhaps there wouldn’t have been a murder? A tow truck could have been called.
Comment by north star — September 18, 2008 @ 11:06 pm
HI EVERONE, I HAVE JUST CHECKED IN AFTER ONLY 1 DAY OF NOT READING ,AND I MUST SAY I AM DELIGHTED TO SEE THE RE NEWED INTRESTED IN THE CASE.PHYCHIC MAY BE JUST THE ONE WE NEED TO PUT A FIRE UNDER THIS CASE . I FELT SURE THAT IF SHE WOULD READ MORE ON THIS CASE SHE WOULD UNDERSTAND BETTER AS TO WHY PEOPLE FEEL THE WAY THEY DO ABOUT THIS CASE. AND REMEMBER GOD WORKS IN MISTERIOUS WAYS. AS FOR ME I WILL CONTINUE TO PRAY .THANKS PEARL
Comment by pearl — September 19, 2008 @ 8:10 am
You know-hate to say this but that lawyer probably likes being accused. Especially if he didn’t do it.
In the BTK case when men were randomly dna’d they admitted it gave them a power trip that people thought they were the killer. They said being named was a status symbol. Bizarre mentality isn’t it. They said it gave them something to talk about in thier rather boring lives.
Comment by psychic — September 19, 2008 @ 8:15 am
Psychic, I do hope you will contact the family one-on-one. You might be on to something after all.
Comment by Interesting — September 19, 2008 @ 8:18 am
That is sweet pearl. This family needs help, I wish I was the one in the position to help.
I have helped a family before. But what I helped to do had to do with media, not anything else. I am not a cj major. In fact, I only accidentally ended up in the Homicide class this semester because I needed to get a minor and the cj one was the only one I only needed 6 more credits for. My mother has been in LE for a long time. As a young teenager I even remember dressing my mom up as a prostitute so she could go undercover at a truck stop. Also remember being taken to a fairly infamous crime scene location.
It seems like Alice picked someone up from some location. Not at the bar…Not at the cabin…could she have met up with someone who was getting off of work at midnight? Could she have picked him up from the parking lot of her work?
Comment by psychic — September 19, 2008 @ 8:24 am
OH I JUST REALIZED I SPELLED EVERYONE WRONG.I LOT OF THESE MISSPELLINGS ARE NOT BECAUSE OF NOT KNOWING HOW TO RATHER FROM BEING NEW AT THIS COMPUTER THING,BOY YOU SURE HAVE TO HIT THE KEYS HARD. TO THE BURGESS FAMILY I BELIEVE THE IMFORMATION YOU GIVE PHYCHIC WILL BE HELPFUL TO HER. I PERSONALY WOULD LIKE TO THANK HER IN ADVANCE FOR ANY HELP SHE CAN GIVE TO THE FAMILY IN SOLVING THIS CASE.THEY ARE A REMARKABLE FAMILY WHO ONLY WANT JUSTICE FOR THEIR MOTHER. THE FACT THAT THEY HAVE NOT GIVEN OF HOPE TO GET JUSTICE TO ME PROVES HOW MUCH THEY LOVED THEIR MOTHER. SHE MUST HAVE BEEN A WONDERFUL MOTHER TO HAVE LEFT SUCH A WONDERFUL IMPRESSION ON HER CHILDREN. THANKS PEARL
Comment by pearl — September 19, 2008 @ 8:34 am
I just talked to my mom, I tried to tell her the story with just the facts. She immediately said, “It’s not the lawyer.”
Her initial theory was of abduction. That he was in her car and made her drive there. We eliminate Eddie.
She says right off the bat it’s not any of the suspects.
She thinks it was someone who was present at the bar, who left before she did.
She was immediately going for the rage- but I still think it was all about stuck in the mud. Every man has rage. I would have rage if someone had control of me, trapped me in mud, and I had somewhere I needed to be. Alice would have been apologizing, not raging that he couldn’t get them out. Was anyone seen walking that night. The mapping of this is significant.
Maybe I’m just stuck in the mud with the stuck in the mud theory.
Comment by psychic — September 19, 2008 @ 9:04 am
My mom dated a lawyer after divorcing from my dad. We were discussing him. He was a type of man with the same reputation as your BR.
I remember he never gave my mom any Christmas present. He did cook well. He was also a drinker. He had a reputation for beating his prior wife.
But he never once lifted a hand to my mom or threatened her in any way.
Comment by psychic — September 19, 2008 @ 9:06 am
My dad hates that lawyer, he was the one that handled my moms divorce. That’s kind of an unethical thing to do.
Comment by psychic — September 19, 2008 @ 9:13 am
will you contact me personally? i have a lot of info.
Comment by Michael Burgess — September 19, 2008 @ 9:52 am
Yes Michael
How do I get in touch with you? But please promise that you will have no expectations of me.
Comment by psychic — September 19, 2008 @ 10:41 am
contact jason feingold. no expectations. just refreshing to hear a different point of view.
Comment by Michael Burgess — September 19, 2008 @ 11:15 am
This is getting interesting–hope it leads somewhere.
Comment by north star — September 19, 2008 @ 2:00 pm
I HAVE A GOOD FEELING ABOUT THIS .I HOPE IT WILL HELP THE FAMILY. DON,T SELL YOURSELF SHORT PHYCHIC. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHERE YOU CAME UP WITH THE TOWN OF OXFORD.AS FOR ALL YOUR QUESTIONS I THNK IT WOULD BE BEST IF THEY WERE ANSWERED BY THE FAMILY. THANKS PEARL
Comment by pearl — September 19, 2008 @ 2:31 pm
awww, I’m on post 226. That was such a sweet display of love for his wife Melissa. Beautiful love. You should print that one out for a scrapbook.
(just remember jimmy, scripture should never be used as a sword or a bat)
I have class for the next three days-yes it’s torture. I’ll try to read some on my breaks. I want to read all of the posts here though. I’ll be in touch soon.
Comment by psychic — September 19, 2008 @ 6:10 pm
Has it ever occurred to you slobs that Psychic may be the lawyer playing with you? (I hope not but ya’ll sure are gullible.)
Comment by skipper — September 19, 2008 @ 7:54 pm
I don’t agree with the “stuck in the mud” theory, at all.
In fact, it really sounds lame and I was thinking the same thing you said Skipper.
How coincidental it is that someone just happened upon this blog thread.
I can maybe picture: she met someone at the bar and she arranged to meet him later at LL, but then what? Perhaps the accused one saw what happened and got mad at her for that and then expressed his rage, after the guy she met left.
Whatever the case, the accused one will never be caught because he’s too darn slick with too many connections that probably owe him from over the years.
JMHO.
If psychic is the accused one, he’s getting an edge out of all of this.
Why don’t they interview the accused one’s X wife?
Comment by lurker — September 19, 2008 @ 10:12 pm
pulling at straws, thats what it is called, willing to make anyone guilty in order to find closure. ex. a man robs a bank, does it mean that he robbed another one? man abuses x-wife, does it mean he abuses all women or all women he becomes involved with? i don’t mean to sound mean, but whose to say she didn’t have another man in her life or a man that wanted to be in her life. look at all options, besides if the first man actually abused her, whose to say she was testing the waters, because she may have wanted to get away from a relationship that may have not been going anywhere. the second man may not have understood her feelings for the first man and decided if i can’t have her nobody will. she may have met up with the second man, who got mad and killed her.
Comment by stop & look & listen — September 19, 2008 @ 11:38 pm
psychic — you’d really be doing yourself a giant favor to focus on your school studies, for its painfully obvious that you’ll benefit from some education. these powers you claim to have, if you’re so good w/ them, then bring forth the info everyone’s awaiting. otherwise, get back to studying. you need it!
Comment by inside know — September 20, 2008 @ 3:23 pm
from sources inside the investigation, it is fairly clear to them that BR very likely had involvement, even if not hands on.
Comment by inside know — September 20, 2008 @ 3:24 pm
psychic — yes, i’m w/ you. ISSP too! mainly you! you obviously can not even connect simple dots. maybe it will help you to speak w/ Michael or Melissa about what they know regarding the case and the depth of the investigation. otherwise, i’m w/ the others above. i believe your initials are B.S.
Comment by rooster II — September 20, 2008 @ 3:32 pm
psychic — since $50k is not getting the job done, do you think anyone would come forward for $100k???
Comment by Jimmy H. Baker, Jr. — September 20, 2008 @ 3:34 pm
I BELIEVE IN MIRICALS – I BELIEVE IN MIRICALS -I BELIEVE IN MIRICALS -I BELIEVE IN MIRICALS -I BELIEVE IN MIRICALS.
Comment by pearl — September 20, 2008 @ 10:59 pm
I hope your miracle comes, Pearl and Jimmy and family. Just wanted to play devil’s advocate so you don’t let your heart override your brain on this. It seems too good to be true to me.
Comment by skipper — September 21, 2008 @ 1:18 pm
I’m so exhausted I can barely read this but I’m not the lawyer, and have only been reading this for about what two weeks now.
Stuck in the mud theory is quite good. Too often you follow the behavior and work the story of what happened backward. Instead, map it from the minds of the people involved. Mind…then behavior.
When you look at the crime objectively, you see that he killed her because of the mud. The mud was the cage, not Alice. I don’t think he was angry with Alice at all. I don’t think she even knew it was coming. Although some of his panic could very well have been related to post sexual shock-if in fact sex had taken place.
What I mean by post-sexual shock is if say he was married, and just committed adultry for the first time. This may have added an additional layer of mesh to the cage. That is a feeling of shame, guilt, and fear. He may have immediately blamed her…for “seducing” him.
It is perfectly ok for anyone to disagree with me. Call it BS if you want to. This is America, and I am sure free to express my opinion. If something I say evokes a thought or an idea, that could help Michael and Melissa, than that would be a good thing.
Get into their minds,…I’m there. I’m just too exausted at this moment to type anymore(just got home.) I’ve gone to school almost 30 days straight-except I skipped class on Thursday. I miss my girls. ttyl
I should be grateful that I get to attend college, many women around the world do not have such opportunities.
Comment by psychic — September 21, 2008 @ 6:14 pm
jimmy-answer-NO. No one knows except the killer. He will not come forward ever (he could be dead)-not even on his death bed would he confess, because of his children/grandchildren. But I will post a letter to him soon.
This is someone…who on that night,…at that moment,…felt that he had no other choice. He had that wave of panic, that his life and all that mattered to him, was about to be over.
Lets look at where Alice was mentally. She and I…wow…can I tell you that I sit here in my bedroom, surrounded by white walls-yes a bed but no furniture…and even my socks and my husbands socks are hanging in canvas bags in our closets-because I refuse to put crap furniture in my bedroom. No dressers. No pictures…only an antique cross on the wall that belonged to my husbands Grandmother. Well it’s been 7 years since we’ve lived here…I guess it’s time to buy a second hand bedroom set. lol
Anyway-I’m sorry to inject so much of myself into this, but it is the only way to get inside the minds. See where Alice was…she had decided marriage wasn’t for her. She reclaimed the last name of her children, because she had made the decision not to bring men into her childrens lives. She would not have wasted her time with a man who did not have something to offer her-unless there was a rekindled history.
My first husband was blue collar, and although my current husband is not wealthy…he does have an education and was someone I thought higher on the chain of quality. So Alice had this affair or fling with the lawyer…it seems that she would not give herself to someone who wasn’t doing well. A wife would be irrelivant to her because she had no intentions of another marriage.
Unless it was an old boyfriend, someone she had not been with in a long while, and then rekindled.
It doesnt’ seem, like there was any plan to meet him that night. You have to work…you stay until midnight…at some point after leaving…she ran into him perhaps at a stoplight…in the parking lot,…they already had a history of some sort. Some prior flirting. And she felt he was worthy of her time. Of her investment. That is how I would be thinking.
She had no commitments to the lawyer. He was married, there is no reason why she would not continue to engage in any other relationship. The killer, she thought, was worthy of her time…on that night.
So who was worthy of her time?
1) Who did she deal with on her house (a builder a realtor?)
2) What other professionals did she have access to associated with the lawyer?
3) What person from high school could she have run into?
4) Who would have been out on a Tues/Wed night after Thanksgiving? Not many married men, unless he was working…getting off of work….that would have been an added layer of the urgency to escape the cage of mud.
These are not questions you should answer me. Just posing some for thought…and I don’t want to know all of the facts, I just want to offer different thoughts. If I am way off base, that is ok, thats for you to know and me to find out :)…after I am done reading all of the posts on this blog…which I still havent done.
My schedule will let up after next week.
This killer is not some big green mean monster (his monster is hidden by a handsome facade.) He is someone fairly well-liked in the community;if he is still in that community. It is someone that if revealed…and he may very well be revealed soon…would be a shock to everyone…probably married today, to the same woman he was married to back then.
Comment by psychic — September 22, 2008 @ 10:08 am
He knew in those moments when he contemplated his escape from the mud and when he did swing that iron bar at her, that there was not enough of a connection between the two,or current history between the two of them, to be a suspect. He knew he could get away with it, and unfortunately he did.
Comment by psychic — September 22, 2008 @ 10:17 am
Layers of thoughts feelings emotions and actions.
You can not understand the after-feeling of cheating on your spouse, unless you’ve ever done it.
Comment by psychic — September 22, 2008 @ 10:21 am
HOW long did she have her car, and who did she buy it from.
Comment by psychic — September 22, 2008 @ 10:37 am
PHYCHIC I DO NOT BELIEVE THIS WAS HIS FIRST AFFAIR. IN FACT HE WAS KNOWN TO BE A WOMANIZER. I AM NOT SURE IF YOU HAVE READTHE POST THAT SAY,S HE WAS HEARD TELLING SOMEONE THAT THEY HAD BTTER WATCH OUT OR THEY WOULD END UP LIKE ALICE. IT IS ALSO THOUGHT THAT HE MAY HAVE BEEN INVOLVED IN ANOTHER MURDER OF A YOUNG BEAUTIFUL BLOND WOMAN IN OUR TOWN.AGAIN, THIS MAN HAD (NOTICE I SAID HAD) ALOT OF POWER IN OUR SMALL TOWN. HE KNOWS THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT HE HAD SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT. THE FACT THAT HE WAS NEVER GIVEN A POLY TEST IS UNBELIEVABLE. IF NOT FOR ANY OTHER REASON THAN TO CLEAR HIS NAME .MAYBE THEN THE FAMILY AND FRIENDS OF ALICE COULD START LOOKING AT OTHER POSSIBLE SUSPECTS. I GUESS ONLY INNOCENT PEOPLE TAKE POLY TESTS.
Comment by pearl — September 22, 2008 @ 11:13 am
the car was purchased a couple of months before the move.
Comment by Dana Burgess — September 22, 2008 @ 8:22 pm
There is no lawyer on this planet that would agree to a poly. Never. Guilty or innocent.
The fact that he alledgedly made that statement to someone, proves even further that he is not the killer. I’m sorry, but there is rhyme and reason in criminology.
The lawyer didn’t do it hun. I wish you had the right face to blame. I know it’s hard to let go.
But if you expect the law enforcement to be reasonable, and to let go of leads that are dead ends, then you must be willing to shake your Etch-a-sketch too.
Comment by psychic — September 22, 2008 @ 9:44 pm
Psychic’s posts can make me frightened sometimes.
Comment by north star — September 22, 2008 @ 9:46 pm
Sounds like a murder mystery writer to me. Wonder does she read Stephen King or something. I don’t buy it. Great imagination Psychic. If you are legit, why wouldn’t you just go ahead a contact the family and put pen to paper re. known facts, instead of wanting to read the rest of the blog.
Comment by skipper — September 22, 2008 @ 10:11 pm
Psychic I have been trying to figure out your post #690. No matter if Alice had connections with the person that did this or not doesn’t add up to me because “no one has been arrested” even the person that everyone knows had connections with her. It seems that you would contact the family since they have requested that you do this & not make this so public for everyone to see & read. I am an easy going, kind person & don’t like to stir up anything but your postings on here are very strange. I really think I know who you are & everyone else does too.
It is cruel for you to carry this on w/the family & friends especially publicly like this. Get in touch with them & keep this private out of respect for them & their feelings! I am afraid you are getting some sick kind of empowerment out of doing this & it is just not right.
Comment by gracie rags — September 22, 2008 @ 10:33 pm
“I really think I know who you are & everyone else does too”
Amazing. Am I someone famous? That right there is exactly the reason I’ve debated about making contact. Small narrow minds. Next thing I know you’ll be trying to figure out how I left pre-school and killed Alice, or you’ll be trying to get my uncles and fathers Dna’d. You’re an idiot, you don’t know who I am.
It’s a big world out there, hate to break the news to you.
Comment by psychic — September 22, 2008 @ 10:59 pm
Go Gracie!
Comment by skipper — September 22, 2008 @ 10:59 pm
696- I don’t know why my post would frighten you. In the past my posts have been responded to with comments such as “combative” or “prolific” but I am who I said I am. I’m sorry if my style of communication doesn’t suit your comfort level. I am me, and this is how I express myself.
697- Hey thanks. Glad you see me as a writer. I have had a few things published, but I’m not aspiring to crime writing-it’s a little too bland for me. Yes I have an imagination…OH do I ever. Sure can’t deny that.
I believe that I do have a gift for finding people. I have to believe that because of the things that have happened.
Here is one example. It happened a few months ago.
I had a dream about a dog. IN the dream, his name was “Buddy.” Pretty common name for a dog. I blogged about the dream. Three days later …I’m driving down the road and see a Yellow lab. Four illegals are trying to pull him into their junky truck. I whip over to the side of the road and said, “I want him.” And they let me have him. He had a collar but no tag.
He was the nicest dog. I brought him home and the girls loved and played with him. I im’d my friend about this great dog, and that I rescued him from the Mexican guys. I knew they would have never tried to find his owner.
So I told my kids we would call him Buddy, because the dog in my dream was named Buddy.
He was a great dog. The next day I called the pound, and they said a dog had been reported missing and they gave me the address of the owner. I drove over to the house, knocked on the door….and a very happy lady held open her arms and said…OH my God BUDDY-Thank you so much!
It really happened. That was my dog story, but there are four more stories like this…that involve people. Yes, Buddy is a common name for a dog, but what are the chances that on that day so soon after my dream…I would be there where Buddy was?
~~~~~~If she purchased that car right before she moved in, I’d be looking at the guy who sold her that car. Think about it, he was familiar with that car, or at least comfortable enough to pull it apart and put her in the trunk, maybe comfortable enough to get busy in it. Now wouldn’t that add another layer-the humiliation, if they had become stuck in the car that he sold her? hummmm…..
If it was the lawyer he would have been taken down by now. Stop giving the putz the attention. He likes it. He’s just an old rubberneckin wanna-be. Stop making fools out of yourself, he knows he didnt’ do it, so hes just laughing all the way. The police have a responsibility also to tell you they don’t think it was him. If they tell you that, you need to accept that and start really looking for the killer-who could very well be dead.
Why are my postings strange? Because I have a different theory? Because I am not embarrassed to tell about the mistakes/experiences of my life?
I think you people are strange, strange that you live in a little box of closed-minded judgemental thought processes.
I don’t feel comfortable contacting Michael or anyone because I dont’ trust them. I’ve shared a lot of myself here, in an attempt to understand the situation Alice was in. Things my own mother doesnt know.
Cruel-really? I didn’t realize I was being cruel. Fine, I will just leave then.
Comment by psychic — September 22, 2008 @ 11:36 pm
That would make you about 33-35 now?
Comment by north star — September 22, 2008 @ 11:57 pm
psychic – i think you are right…don’t contact me. it has been fun reading your posts.
Comment by Michael Burgess — September 23, 2008 @ 6:34 am
Michael, I am sorry you have had to read all of this on here. I know it is upsetting; however, I think you are wise not to trust this person. Maybe he/she will just go away – I certainly do hope so.
Comment by Interesting — September 23, 2008 @ 7:32 am
TO THE BURGESS FAMILY . HAVE YOU EVER CONSIDERED SUEING THIS MAN FOR WRONGFUL DEATH. AT LEASE THEN HE WOULD HAVE TO ANSWER SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS.MAYBE THEN YOU COULD GET SOME CLOSEURE. REMEMBER THE OJ SIMPSOM CASE.HE WAS FOUND NOT GUILTY OF KILLING NICHOLE BROWN AND RON GOLDMAN,BUT THEIR FAMILES WERE ABLE TO GET JUSTICE THROUGH THE CIVIL COURTS. TO PHYCHIC WHY WOULD YOU THINK THE PEOPLE IN THIS TOWN AND THE FAMILY ARE NARROWED MINDED ABOUT THIS CASE .WE LIVE IN THS TOWN THE FAMILY LIVED HERE . MAYBE IF YOU WOULD STOP PUTTING SO MUCH TIME IN TRYING TO DISMISS THE LAWER ,AND START CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT HE COULD BE GUILT. YOU COULD HELP. IF YOU TRULY WANT TO HELP CONTACT THE FAMILY I AM SURE THEY COULD ENLIGHTEN YOU ON A FEW THINGS. OH AND TIME IS RUNNING OUT FOR THIS FAMILY THE MAN IN QUESTION IS GETING OLD AND SICK.I FEEL SURE THAT HE PLANS TO TAKE THIS TO HIS GRAVE .
Comment by pearl — September 23, 2008 @ 8:23 am
Pearl you are a sweetheart. You seem like such a nice, loving & caring person & I totally agree with what you have to say.
Psychic I think you are the nobody! Believe me you are anything but someone who is important. You just want to think you are & love to hear/see yourself rattle on & that is all you are doing. You are one of those people who love to hear themselves talk.
Henderson does have it’s issues but the citizens of Henderson are as intelligent as they come. Most of them have been through an awful lot in one way or another & from this comes a ton of common sense & compassion also. You want everyone to think you are famous. If you are famous it is not for the things people want to be famous for. You are the one that needs to get a life.
To Alice’s family may God bless each & every one of you & bring you comfort every day. I hope & pray this mystery will be solved & very soon for all your sakes. I lost my only daughter there in 1985 in an automobile accident & at least I know exactly how it happened. I know that you are searching in earnest for the person that did this awful thing to your Mother & this is why someone posting this type stuff on here gets me so upset. I think it is my Mother’s instinct kicking in. Promise not to post here again because I don’t know anything that would help. I had moved away from Henderson by that time. Always heard rumors though & from people that I respect their opinions. Everyone has heard these. God’s speed in getting this case solved ASAP.
Comment by gracie rags — September 23, 2008 @ 11:09 am
I was referring to the accusations against me ever since I began posting…that I am the Br lawyer or the “I know who you are”…ridiculous.
And good thing I went with my intuition on this.
I have been judged and belittled here…just like the killer and the community did to Alice.
If you know it all then why have an unsolved crime blog-Shurlock? Do cyberspace a favor and take your assination to the court system.
Comment by psychic — September 23, 2008 @ 12:14 pm
i wonder if alice got her car from the auto mart of henderson.
Comment by psychic — September 23, 2008 @ 4:14 pm
What is that supposed to mean psychic? enlighten us–please.
Comment by north star — September 23, 2008 @ 5:32 pm
psychic, do us ALL a HUGE favor and, if you are truly in the mid-west, keep yourself and your weird ideas there, as well. as someone above posted, get back to your studies. you really need to get your education. or, perhaps, committed! most of all, find another blog for your babble! i believe everyone here is tired and worn-out with it.
Comment by rooster II — September 23, 2008 @ 9:42 pm
Just sit back a minute… and observe how close in proximity some of the folks mentioned in this blog lived back during the time this horrific crime was committed:
Alice’s sister and brother-in-law, mother, father, and brother lived on one street~~~~one street in front of them, BR’s family lived~~~~the Linwood Falkner family lived right behind them~~~BH, JH, et all lived behind (what was then, Mammoth Mart)~~
How do I know this? My family lived right in the middle of the families afore mentioned in this blog. We all wanted the murderer found and give this dear family closure so their lives could go on.
I just hope and pray that this crime is solved and the judicial system performs it’s duty in this case!
Comment by Think about it — September 24, 2008 @ 9:23 am
And…..by the way, even though I am living with my husband on the New England coast now, I still keep in touch with the folks and goings on in Henderson via this website.
Jason, you have certainly spent your time wisely and in such a diplomatic manner in order to develop this site….and many thanks from our PC to yours..
(psss’t…..we have already had frost on the pumpkins two mornings this week and the leaves are changing to rich, vibrant colors….amidst a nor’ easter that is coming from the North Carolina coast on Friday)…
‘Till next time……from the Southern wife and her Yankee husband……(and he just loves and adores southern cookin’, especially biscuits, gravy and grits!!!)…LOL
Comment by Think about it — September 24, 2008 @ 10:12 am
Nothin’ like that NC pork bbQ. Everywhere else in the world they smother it with tomato bbq sauce. Oh and them grits are good gurl. I just like butter, salt and pepper. My best friend used to put honey on em. I do miss home.
So, I think I am going to visit my Dad for Thanksgiving. It’s a long road trip back to the east coast of NC, but Henderson isn’t too far off the path. I wonder if that neighborhood you mention looks like the one in my dream. Could someone please post the name of the street which Alice considered home?
Otherwise this crazy woman is gonna be waundrin around lost on the streets of Henderson.
When I realized I could find people was back in 1988. My best friend we grew up together since 2nd grade. I did love her brother like my own. He was much nicer than my brother. Anyhow her Momma and brother Matthew got into a big ole fight. Matt took off.
My best friend and her mom were so worried. For days and weeks…no word from em. Didn’t know where on earth he took off to.
My dad called and invited me to a long trip down to Florida to visit my new step mothers family. This is a long drive from East coast NC to Melborne Florida.
We drove in the new mini-van, he bought for my high maintainence step mother. She was a young one, let me tell ya.
I got that feelin. You know, the one I mentioned about knowin the marbles are under the cups. Same feelin I got when I saw Buddy on the side of the road…and all the other times. Like when I clicked on a website yesterday.
Yep, so I told dad to pull over quick at the quick stop. Got this intense feeling, thought I had to pee. Jumped out of the van, ran to the door of the quick stop flung the door open and who stood before me with a big soda in his hand?
Yep. What are the chances? So far away, at that very moment both he and I would be there? I was so shocked. He was so shocked, we just stood there. I ended up usin the pay phone to call my friend back home.
See when I moved up to Maryland after North Carolina, my theatre teacher told me my accent was horrendous, and set me forth in some language rituals of gettin rid of that accent. I did land me a role as Annelle in Steel Magnolias.
But when I go home, or talk to my old frENDs…it all comes back.
The thing I miss most about home is them tall pine trees. I miss the ocean too. There aint no ocean here. Just a stinkin lake. We always got to spend the summer down at Hilton Head.
I think you just better take a good close look, that’s all I”m askin of Ya’ll.
I will never forget my trip to Melburn Florida, its where I first learned I could find people, and where I went to my first concert. Air Supply. I think they were has-beens but I was still in awe at them rain forest pics they was singin to. Plus they’re songs are so beautiful.
Comment by psychic — September 24, 2008 @ 10:42 am
this psycho _itch makes listening to my wife’s ramblings seem pleasant and rather sensible!!! what spaceship dropped her on our planet???
Comment by rooster II — September 25, 2008 @ 7:35 pm
714-Well aren’t you a delightful fellow.
So glad it’s your wife with the pleasure of waking to the smell of your morning breath.
Comment by psychic — September 26, 2008 @ 2:07 pm
psychic….why don’t you do all of us a favor and leave this alone. You obviously are not any help to the family and your quips at people you supposedly don’t know and are thousands of miles from are not funny or welcome. Get on with your life wherever you are and just forget about all of this.
Comment by no help — September 26, 2008 @ 2:30 pm
I forgive you for your hostilities.
As a mother, I would rather suffer blows to the head and death than to hold my baby in my arms dying.
I know people tend to only see things from their own perspective, but if you really do believe in God, and in Heaven, you will see that Alice was spared the most unbearable pain.
Her little girl dying of cancer…had her mother’s arms waiting to grab hold of her into Heaven’s embrace. It’s only sad that those who remain here on earth, are the ones left with what seems like endless suffering.
As a mother, Alice would not want her other two children to spend their precious days searching for something lost. They are home. They will have to set themselves free, when it is the right time for them.
I’m afraid there is only one way to be set free, it is with forgiveness-for even if the old man were arrested…there would never be closure…there would never be peace, because those are found within ones self.
May God Bless You.
Comment by psychic — September 26, 2008 @ 3:12 pm
You should not be drinking this early in the day.
Comment by psychic — September 26, 2008 @ 3:16 pm
Psychic, you are a joke. Who are you trying to impress with your nonsense. You need to get a life. Leave this poor family alone.
Comment by Interesting — September 26, 2008 @ 4:20 pm
well, me personally… I could never forgive any murderer. For instance if I was the mother of the 14 year old girl that Eddie Williams killed, he would be out for about 14 days when he came face-to -ace with me, where I would have him dragged to an isolated wooded area, hang him by his testicles, beat him like a pinata with a shovel until he fell to his death in the shallow grave I dug for him.
Then I might go to church and ask for forgiveness, and only give it if required.
Comment by psychic — September 28, 2008 @ 6:26 pm
TO THE BURGESS FAMIY, I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT I, AND MANY OTHER PEOPLE ARE STILL OUT THERE PRAYING AND HOPING YOU WILL GET SOME ANSWERS SOON. I SINCERELY HOPE THAT PHYCHIC GETS WHAT HE-SHE DESERVES FOR BEING SUCH A PHONY. HAVE YOU CONSIDERED HAVING THE CANDLELIGHT VIGIL FOR YOU MOM? PERHAPS IF YOU ALL COULD NOT COME TO TOWN TO DO IT MAYBE SOME OF YOUR FAMILY IN TOWN COULD DO IT . I AM SURE YOU WOULD HAVE A GOOD TURN OUT. THANKS PEARL
Comment by pearl — September 29, 2008 @ 8:30 am
Pearl, how am I phony? That wasn’t very nice pearl. I am not a phony, I have not told one fib here. I really wanted to help. Aside from giving my theory -what else is a person expected to do?
I think at this point, Michael needs to demand some response from the SBI. They are paid with our tax dollars, not to sit around eating donuts. They have a responsibility to answer and prove they have done their work. They owe it considering their failure to preserve evidence.
Comment by psychic — September 29, 2008 @ 10:29 am
I should clarify that I have not told ANY fibs in this blog. Everything I have said is true to what I recall and believe. I would be happy to call Jason, or Michael, or whoever, (with my phone number blocked of course-if you wish to continue to accuse me of being the lawyer, or whoever.)
I am not Sylvia Brown…and I don’t believe in that type of “psychic.” That is fake. Anyone with a gift of sensitivity, and that is what I call it, would not use it for profit.
You might not agree, but I believe my theory is right. If I thought your lawyer was guilty, I would say so. I can not apoligize any more for not agreeing.
Comment by psychic — September 29, 2008 @ 10:37 am
Sylvia Brown would be a Blessing here after listening to PSYCHIC’S rambling.Don’t mess with us!
Comment by Joyce Pendergrass Atchison — October 1, 2008 @ 2:17 am
Hey Joyce Faye,
Did your email address change? If so, can you send it to me.
Comment by Melissa Baker — October 1, 2008 @ 7:49 am
Psychic, don’t apologize…just leave. You have said enough, and I am sure it has been very upsetting for this family that is still grieving for their Mom after all these years. Just go away – PLEASE.
They have made it clear that they do not want any contact with you. Please do as they wish.
Comment by Interesting — October 1, 2008 @ 7:50 am
This is the internet, I can stay and participate as I wish. If they don’t like it, too bad. They aren’t children, they are grown adults.
“don’t mess with us”
Oh, are you someone important? Brah ha ha!
I actually don’t feel sorry for you anymore. Whew! Thanks!
Ta Ta Silly Hillbillies!
Comment by psychic — October 1, 2008 @ 6:12 pm
Our family never wanted you to feel sorry for us.We want information,viable,usuable info.Psychic,Are you a GROWN ADULT?I wonder if you are manic or depressive as you write?
Comment by Joyce Pendergrass Atchison — October 2, 2008 @ 2:42 am
Should you be truly psychic…..wellllllll, then, you would have already solved this absolutely horrible unsolved case.
If, on the other hand, you are just playing games and, in no way have psychic powers, then, you must cease your game.
The family of Alice Burgess, and, in fact, Alice, herself, deserve far better than what you have portrayed yourself to be.
Comment by Think about it.. — October 7, 2008 @ 1:55 pm
Absolutely, Think about it. Personally, I think this person was playing a sick, sick game at the expense of that family, and that is a terrible way to get your kicks out of life.
Comment by Interesting — October 7, 2008 @ 4:28 pm
MR. B R .SINCE I BELIEVE YOU CHECK THIS SIGHT TO SEE IF THERE ARE ANY NEW POST,I WOULD LIKE YOU TO KNOW WE ARE STILL HOPEING AND PRAYING FOR AN ARREST IN THIS CASE.I PERSONALY WOULD LIKE TO ASK YOU A QUESTION.SINCE EVERY ONE KNOWES YOU WERE INVOLVED WITH ALICE, WHY WOULD YOU NOT WANT TO DO SOMETHING TO PROVE YOU ARE INNOCENT OF THIS CRIME? YOU MUST KNOW THAT FOR OVER 30 YEARS MANY OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS TOWN BELIEVE YOU DID IT.I KNOW THAT YOU ARE OLDER AND SICKER NOW, CHANCES ARE YOU WILL BE MEETING YOUR MAKER SOON.ARE YOU GOING TO STAND BEFORE {GOD ALMIGHTY} WITH THIS TO ANSWER FOR ?NOT ONLY THE CRIME BUT ALL YOU HAVE PUT HER FAMILY THROUGH.IF YOU ARE NOT GUILTY THEN WHY IN GODS NAME WON,T YOU GET TOGETHER WITH THE FAMILY AND TAKE A POLY TEST? PLEASE GIVE THIS FAMILY SOME CLOSURE BEFORE IT IS TO LATE.
Comment by pearl — October 13, 2008 @ 9:49 am
pearl–if we decided to do a candlelight vigil on november 29, would you help get the word out? would you be there?
Comment by Michael Burgess — October 13, 2008 @ 11:17 am
pearl… Are you God? :)
Comment by Silent Lamb — October 13, 2008 @ 1:11 pm
I think a lot of people wold come, Michae.
Comment by skipper — October 13, 2008 @ 2:14 pm
Michael,would like to talk with you and share with you what I told your grandmother years ago,you came up to me at rmhd awhile back but I was with a large group and could not get a chance to talk with you,you knew me as a friend of your moms and your family.You will know me when you see me.Have to go to rmhd tomorrow morning
Comment by me — October 13, 2008 @ 7:55 pm
We are wanting to revive this story and bring conclusion to it with the family.
Please help me post facts:
Alice Burgess: (name of deceased)
Children:
Michael:
Melissa:
Amanda: Died at the age of 16 from Hodkinsons Disease
DOB: September 7, 1949
DOD: November 30, 1977
Sheriff: Lee Faulkner
Medical Examiner: M W Wester
Chief Deputy: Bobby Hamm
Father:
Mother: Ruby Vaughan (Deceased)
Sister: Lou Anderson
Former Husband (s):
Robert Burgess
DOB: 01-11-1950
Footnote:
I was/am a friend of the family.
We lived in the same community as Alice and her children and Grandparents.
I went several times to their house (grandmother’s), when Alice was murdered and then through Amanda’s sickness, death and funeral.
My Father and I were with Ms. Ruby at the courthouse during the trial, I remember so well when they raised a picture of Alice in the court, of her death and Ms. Ruby loosing it and crying so much.
The family probably wouldn’t even recognize my name or who I was unless I explained.
Now, just for informations sake:
Please do not listen to whoever is claiming to be this psychic because they are psycho.
Deuteronomy 18:10-12
Declares that we are not to seek familiar spirits or witchcraft for our answers.
Psychic is a fake and we rebuke he/she/them in the Name of Jesus Christ our Savior.
We now join with this family and friends and are praying for complete closer, healing and resolve to this terrible injustice and murder of this beautiful mother, sister, daughter and friend.
I pray personally for Michael and Melissa and all of the other family involve and ask that God be your comforter.
This murder will be solved!
On a personal note: I loved your grandmother Ruby even though I have moved away from Henderson for some 20 years, she was very good to me.
Comment by friend of the family — October 13, 2008 @ 9:25 pm
TO THE BURGESS FAMILY,IN ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION. YES I WOULD BE HONORED TO ATTEND AS I AM SURE A LOT OF OTHERS WOULD.IF YOU DECIDE TO HAVE THE VIGIL I WILL TELL EVERY ONE I KNOW.TO THE SILENT LAMB NO I AM GOD.THE LORD GOD KNOWES WHO YOU ARE ,HE KNOWES YOUR HEART ,HE KNOWES YOUR MIND WHAT YOU ARE THINKING, UNLIKE ANY OF US ON HERE HE KNOWES WHO TOU REALY ARE.MAYBE JUST MAYBE YOU NEED TO GET THE FEAR OF GOD IN YOU.
Comment by pearl — October 13, 2008 @ 10:50 pm
735…me…can you contact jason feingold at homeinhenderson@nc.rr.com. he will give you my contact info. please contact. thanks.
Comment by Michael Burgess — October 14, 2008 @ 6:27 am
The father’s name was Rodney Vaughan. Two brothers, Billy and Thomas Vaughan. Also, there was a second husband, Mike Renn. If you need any more information, please let me know. I would love to hear from you. You can email me at ncenforcer4u@aol.com and I will send you my current email address. Thank you for your prayers and I agree wholeheartedly with you.
Comment by Melissa Baker — October 14, 2008 @ 10:19 am
#735, we were wondering what rmhd stands for?
Comment by Melissa Baker — October 14, 2008 @ 10:21 am
I am sorry michael that massage was ment for Melissa
Comment by me — October 14, 2008 @ 10:39 am
Melissa did you get the email
Comment by me — October 14, 2008 @ 11:11 am
yes, I responded.
Comment by Melissa Baker — October 14, 2008 @ 11:52 am
MICHAEL,I AM WAITING TO HEAR IF YOUR FAMILY IS GOING TO HAVE THE CANDLELIGHT VIGIL.I TRUELY HOPE YOU WILL.I BELIEVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WOULD LIKE TO PAY RESPECT TO YOUR MOTHER THAT DID NOT DO SO AT HER FUNERAL. AT LEASE I KNOW I WOULD.MAY GOD BLESS YOUR FAMILY.THANKS PEARL
Comment by pearl — October 16, 2008 @ 11:00 am
pearl–we are planning on a vigil either the weekend before or the weekend after thanksgiving. i hope you will be there.
Comment by Michael Burgess — October 16, 2008 @ 7:17 pm
MICHAEL,YES I WILL BE THERE.JUST LET ME KNOW WHEN AND WHERE.
Comment by pearl — October 17, 2008 @ 9:23 pm
Michael/Melissa: My Husband and I will also be there! Have you decided on the date yet? Talk to you soon.
Comment by Sheba — October 18, 2008 @ 5:31 am
I think it will be December the 6th. I will double check with Michael.
Comment by Melissa Baker — October 18, 2008 @ 8:59 am
who is rbs? i am hearing a lot about him. does he still live in henderson?
Comment by here comes the rooster — November 1, 2008 @ 12:39 pm
i hope that when people vote they vote the bible i am not voting for a man who approves abortion who supports same-sex marriages! this world has gone so far left that it does not no what right is! those who calls themselves believers in GOD better get on your knees ask HIM who to vote for. its not about economics or health care or taxes its about HIS rightousness
Comment by hoghugger — November 2, 2008 @ 4:03 pm
This Story is so sad. I couldn’t help but read alot of this. Our family will pray that you get the answers you deserve. God Bless you and your family!
Comment by Us — November 5, 2008 @ 8:48 pm
HELLO EVERY ONE,NOW THAT THE ELECTION IS OVER LETS GET BACK TO PUTING THE PRESSURE BACK THE POWERS TO BE TO HELP THE BURGESS FAMILY FIND CLOSURE AND JUSTICE FOR THEIR MOTHER. MR B.R. DID YOU EVEN CONDIDER TAKING A POLY TEST ? LIKE I SAID IN MY LAST POST TO YOU YOU WOULD BE ABLE TO CLEAR YOUR NAME ,AND AT THE SAME TIME GIVE THE FAMILY SOME ANSWERS. BUT THEN AGAIN THAT WOULD ONLY BE TRUE IF YOU ARE INNONCENT. AGAIN MICHAEL I WOULD LIKE TO TELL YOU WHAT A GOOD IDEA IT IS FOR YOU TO HAVE THE CANDLELIGHT VIGIL FOR YOUR MOTHER.AND REMEMBER I WILL CONTINUE TO PRAY FOR YOUR FAMILY UNTIL THIS IS SOLVED.
Comment by pearl — November 5, 2008 @ 9:14 pm
Its amazing how people conveniently use the Bible when they want to think they are trying to prove a point.
Comment by tears of a clown — November 5, 2008 @ 10:11 pm
Vote the Bible..you must be one of the fake ministers that just so happen to come on the radio
Comment by tears of a clown — November 5, 2008 @ 10:12 pm
If you believe in God and have the faith that you pretend you would know that God ordained this moment. Get over it.
Comment by tears of a clown — November 5, 2008 @ 10:13 pm
Please remember,we are trying to catch a killer.We don’t need arguments among the bloggers.If anyone has useful info,please let us know.
Comment by Joyce Pendergrass Atchison — November 7, 2008 @ 11:55 am
i am hearing alot about rbs.
Comment by here comes the rooster — November 7, 2008 @ 3:06 pm
Who is RBS?
Comment by Curious — November 9, 2008 @ 9:04 am
i can’t reveal the full name, but he has been a shady character in the town forever. he used to run with a gang of guys who terrorized the town. he is a user and an abuser. i heard he was deathly afraid of rwb when he was alive.
Comment by here comes the rooster — November 9, 2008 @ 9:31 am
What are the specifics for the Vigil on 12/6? What time, where, etc?.
Comment by sunshine — November 15, 2008 @ 8:31 am
The Vigil will be at the new courthouse parking lot on December 6th from 7-9pm. There is a story in the Dispatch today.
Comment by Melissa Baker — November 15, 2008 @ 2:44 pm
RBS & MS?
Comment by here comes the rooster — November 15, 2008 @ 2:48 pm
TO THE BURGESS, FAMILY I AM GLAD TO SEE YOU ARE GOING ON WITH THE CANDLELIGHT VIGIL FOR YOUR MOTHER . I WILL BE SURE TO TELL EVERY ONE I KNOW ABOUT IT . I WILL SEE YOU THERE.
Comment by pearl — November 16, 2008 @ 10:39 pm
my mom told me she went to school with alices daughter and said that her daughter told her who she left with that night
Comment by john doe — November 29, 2008 @ 3:22 pm
The vigil will take place this Saturday. We hope to meet those of you that have supported our family. It begins at 7pm on Saturday evening.
Comment by Dana — November 30, 2008 @ 11:40 am
john doe – can you contact me through jason?
Comment by Michael Burgess — November 30, 2008 @ 1:25 pm
#764, john doe
Well, do you know who it was and will you let some of
the family members know?
Comment by Patricia — December 5, 2008 @ 3:12 pm
Melissa and Mike, I have been thinking about yall for many years. Amanda was a classmate of mine and recently I found out my uncle was/is yall’s grandmother’s brother. Yall have my fullest support in any way I can help. Hope I see the family tommorow night.
Comment by Bonez — December 5, 2008 @ 8:47 pm
To the burgess family ,I wanted to let you know I thought the vigil you gave for your mom was nice.I feel sure that your mom and sister were both were looking down from heaven.I was proud to be able to attend. I was happy to meet Mellisa she is a very sweet and caring woman ,I am sure your mother would be very proud of the both of you. I was unable to speek to mike as he was speaking with other people and I did not want to interupt them. It was a nice idea to have a preacher speak. I want you to know i continue to pray daily for your family to get closeure soon. GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR FAMILY.
Comment by pearl — December 6, 2008 @ 11:12 pm
I really appreciate everyone who came to the vigil last night. It means more than you know. It was so good to see people that I have not seen in years. I wish there would have been more time to visit with everyone. I am so thankful that people still care about this. I really ask you all to keep praying that we will have justice brought about in this situation. Thanks again.
Comment by Melissa Baker — December 7, 2008 @ 6:29 am
One more thing, I would love to know who you are Pearl. You have been so faithful on this blog. Could you send me an email and tell me who you are? NCenforcer4u@aol.com
Comment by Melissa Baker — December 7, 2008 @ 6:36 am
I wish that the Burgess family could have some peace. I hope someone would just say what they know. I wish this family could have a happy holiday with some good news. I feel sorry for what the family is going through.
Comment by Leigh Thomerson — December 7, 2008 @ 10:33 am
WELL well, MR. B.R. did you hear how nice the candlelight vigil for ALICE BURGESS, given by her family was? I am sure you did. I can,t help but wonder if your family would do the same for you. What do you think? Again i ask you are you going to meet your maker with this to answer for? If you are innoncent can you just once think of some one else and help this family get some closure before it is to late .Are you going to leave this thing for your children and grandchildren to carry.Again please reconsider and give this famiy and yourself ,the peace they deserve.
Comment by pearl — December 8, 2008 @ 1:28 pm
Please, try to contact Nancy Grace.
This needs to be in the spotlight, and she has the guts to get it done.
Comment by friend of the family — December 11, 2008 @ 9:28 pm
To the Burgess family,before things get so hectic ,I would like to wish you and all your family the merriest of Christmas’s,s and a happy new year.Above all I wish you [PEACE]. I would also like to suggest something for you to do that just might help with some of your feelings.I had some thing to say to some one that i could not say to them, and i did this and it really did help .I sat down one day and wrote the person a long letter. In the letter i told them every thing i had wanted to say for years and could not.I was able to write down things that problemy would never been able to say in person.[You do not have to mail the letter]It really helped me and i hope it can do the same for you .And remember you are still in my prayers. GOD BLESS
Comment by pearl — December 18, 2008 @ 1:05 pm
where was she working when she was killed?
Comment by e thomas — December 23, 2008 @ 12:21 pm
She worked at Laurens Glass Company.
Comment by Melissa Baker — December 27, 2008 @ 4:21 pm
Melissa & Micheal, I just wanted to say that i love yall very much. I hope and pray that some solid imformation will come out to get this solved, because it has been long enough.Your mother was a great person and she loved yall very much.I know that her and Amanda are so proud of both of yall. Melissa you look alot like your mother very pretty women.WHOEVER DID THIS CRIME, BE A MAN AND COME FORWARD!
Comment by fruitie — December 29, 2008 @ 6:25 pm
I worked with her at the glass plant, she was a very nice girl. I hope the killer is caught before he/she dies of old age.
Comment by e thomas — December 30, 2008 @ 4:23 pm
I found this web site tonight I’m a Criminal justice Major at a community college in a small town in Alabama.So I know what you all mean about small town/county politics. I was horrified by the comments of psychic.I’m a 37 year old construction worker who is an ordained minister as well.Yes I know that thats a lot of irons in the fire let me first explain that I havent been called as a minister it was just a course of study.I do teach when called on. The only church I attend is Sheperds chapel which is a satalite broadcast bible study group.Prayer and faith is the only thing that matters.However what I have learned in the last few years of study tells me that the person calling theirself Psycic had some things right.I would check up on the friend that she was at the club with.The link that showed her on TV pt.1 &2 implied that there was dancing flirting and a drink or 2.This would have metabolized after a couple of hours, which would explain them not finding signifigant alcahol levels post mortem. It is imperitive that you talk to this friend I belive that her killer was most probably someone in the bar or the parking lot that night.The lawyer would konw better than to take a polygraph they are inadmissable in court for a good reason. It’s because they are un reliable. The special forces of every major country are taught to beat them. If he did it he ceartianly wouldn’t have made that crack about giving the person what he geve Alice.This little man was just using everyones belief that he is so powerful to hjs advantage I mean what better advertisement could an Attorney get.He couldn’t pay for this kind of career booster. I know how terrible this sounds but after all he is a lawyer.People said she didn’t have much .but she had a new home and a new car .That is a hell of a lot for a single mother of three.Back then in 77 times were tough .I remember my family went through tough times when my dad got hurt at work even though he made $60,000 a year back then which was a lot of money in that time!It is more than I make now!but when he got hurt we had to live on his workers comp. which was less.Lets remember the gas shortages and the recession she had a new montecarlo and a new home in the country.How did she afford this stuff as a single mother of three with a unemployed criminal ex. Where did she get the car I remember something about a cardealership.Did she pay cash? cars were a lot cheaper then maybe a boyfriend bought it. These are the questions that will solve this.Not why didn’t BR take a polygraph. If I was implicated in This crime now I wouldn’t take one and I know I’m innocent so you can believe I wouldn’t have then when they were even less reliable. If everyone in town knew that they were having the affair there is no motive,unless he caught her with another man,and if that’s the case he would have killed him too. I know you want closure but make sure it’s the true ending not the convenient one. I hope and pray for this family but I don’t think you can realistically hope to bully a confession from this man.Also be careful what you ask for you just might get the truth and not be able to live with it.good luck and Godspeed
Comment by Myrlin187 — January 10, 2009 @ 12:21 am
at first i thought this was fake, but i don’t think anyone in Henderson overthinks anything this much; if anything we’re simplistic and concise.
anyway, this post should be about finding this lady’s killer. i’m sorry that the comments went off topic a bit, but please don’t contribute to the lack of focus. Justice for all
Comment by Follow the White Lines on the Road — January 10, 2009 @ 1:51 am
To follw the white lines: I am on topic,and in focus as well.Is there a way to obtain the trial transcript and notes on the witness interviews.I would also like to know if the family or law enforcement officers have interviewed the “FRIEND” who invited her out that night.It might also be helpful to know if anyone stood to gain any financial benefits from her death(i.e. was the deed to the house in the country in her name alone or was there someone else on the deed as well) Did she have any death benifits,most factory jobs offered insurance packages back then especially.See if any names of the people known to be at the club are listed on any documentation of benefits.Who bought her property?These are questions that should be discussed!
Comment by Myrlin187 — January 12, 2009 @ 12:28 pm
any of you ever give consideration or thought to the fact that this BR may have never dirtied his hands? you know he could have easily been in a position financially to have paid someone to do his dirty bidding! has this theory been worked by the law officials?
Comment by = justice under law — January 18, 2009 @ 1:40 pm
yes, the friend that was with her at the club has been questioned.
Comment by Melissa Baker — January 18, 2009 @ 1:42 pm
As a matter of profile, trying to coax the killer into leaving a note, or coming forward, or taking any action, is a complete waste of your time.
He will not be an internet participant, he prefers to read his news the old fashioned way, the way it was always done, because routine and ritual are the only means he can function. This goes back to my old theory, in that the events that night, were not expected for him, it broke the boundaries of what he could control, prompting the attack. IF, this man was a co-worker, boss, of the glass company, he would have been there until the day the company closed, retired in 1996. That would be his personality type.
I still feel, that he did not intend when getting into that car, that night, to kill her. It was his only escape from the box.
He will never confess, he will never admit, even if he were caught, that he did it. And his wife, would be there right by his side, saying he didnt’ do it and was wrongly convicted.
So who is he? If he worked at the glass co. with her, and that is a reasonable thought…There is one way to find out. Look for him through a process of elimination. Find a list of all the men who worked at the glass plant until the day it closed (the key here is the killers opposition to change.) That list will contain 50 people? Less? Go talk to each of them. You might find him at the cemetary, where he takes flowers to his mothers grave on the same day of each month.
Comment by shakehandsatchurch — January 28, 2009 @ 11:48 am
Maybe the friend did it. What kind of woman coaxes a mother of three out of her home and into a bar on a weeknight? Class act. Maybe when the friend, who is interviewed, tells the story about how Alice didn’t want to go, maybe she was really referring to when she forced her out into that field. Maybe she found out Alice had a fling with HER man. Just a thought, there are women killers too.
And the Glass co., how far is that from the bar, Alices home, in travel distance. What were the shifts and hours of the glass company. What rituals or routines did Alice have, that would place her in ritual and routine with the killer? Did she stop for gas at a particular station every week, or for donuts at a particular bakery? Did she have her car worked on by someone regularly?
Are there any coworkers, or friends, that had referal, or connection to the purchasing of that car?
Who were her co-workers, but more importantly, who were her superiors? Did the owner of the company have a son?
If so, who is he?
Comment by E.Dysfuction — January 29, 2009 @ 7:45 am
Hello to the Burgess family. I continue to check this sight for any news on your mothers case.I pray that your family are doing well.I continue to keep all of you in my prayers. I know that i have asked you before,but have you all ever considered filling a wrongful death suite against this man? Please post any news if possible.
Comment by pearl — February 5, 2009 @ 9:35 pm
Does anyone out there know the exact dates of Eddie Williams’ trial for Ms. Burgess’ murder?
Comment by waywardson — June 29, 2009 @ 2:31 pm
Who is Eddie Williams?
Comment by rudd — June 29, 2009 @ 2:45 pm
wasn’t ted bundy out and escaped at that time? He was traveling the midwest and moved to Florida at that time. he could easily had been in North Carolina at thae time and usually killed with atire i ron. He was in Michigin by nthe new year 1978
Comment by andy — July 17, 2009 @ 3:44 am